T-34 needs a buff

How about giving it capture territory ability at vet 0?
Or make it possible to put one squad of infantry on it - like in reality 5-6 men would sit and ride on it - they were called somehow I don;t remeber now?

Then make the 34/76 25 fuel more and make it perform like the tank that it was, the tank that was copied (quite literally with one prototype) to create the Panther. This unit does not need cost decreases, it does not need to go back to old stats, it needs a new lease on life lol. Just like some units that IF alpha tested changes come true to life, will shock the foundations of the "intended role" ideas. Guess the SU76 intended role was to be a target. If it means more fuel cost so be it, but the current state units available on tier 3 and 4 is why the soviets rarley tech unless for Kats or T70.

Making the T34 variants Tank Hunters with no anti infantry power like the Panther would actually be really cool, but would require some testing.

Wrong, they have same AoE radius, but P4 got much better AoE profile and much less distance scatter.

Not really, the differences are really really small:


Name:
Kwk40 75mm Tank Gun (Panzer IV)
File name:
panzer_4_75mm_mp.xml
Nation:
ostheer
Penetration:
120.0/110.0/100.0
Scatter angle:
7.5
Scatter distance:
6.4
AoE radius:
2.5
AoE far:
1.875
AoE mid:
1.25
AoE near:
0.75



Name:
f34 76mm T-34 Gun
File name:
t34_76mm_mp.xml
Nation:
soviet
Penetration:
120.0/100.0/80.0
Scatter angle:
7.5
Scatter distance:
6.9
AoE radius:
2.5
AoE far:
1.875
AoE mid:
1.25
AoE near:
0.625

Or make it possible to put one squad of infantry on it - like in reality 5-6 men would sit and ride on it - they were called somehow I don;t remeber now?

I believe the transliteration is tankovyy desant.

That probably wouldn't happen since tanks are balanced around not being transports, while transports are balanced around being transports...though unlike being inside a transport, the infantry getting ferried by a tank could be not covered from fire/be far more vulnerable to damage in an attempt to balance it out.

what damage those tanks inflict at FAR MED and Close?

what damage those tanks inflict at FAR MED and Close?

Here's PIV: http://www.coh2-stats.com/ballistic_weapons/panzer_iv_kwk40_75mm_mp
Here's 34-76: http://www.coh2-stats.com/ballistic_weapons/t34_76mm_mp

what damage those tanks inflict at FAR MED and Close?

If you mean AOE damage from the gun - it's looks very similar, the only difference is that panzer have 160 damage for distance 12, T-34/76 for 10, than both have 54 dmg for range 24 and 8 for 30-40. All the difference against infantry is in much better hull mg and optional top mg from panzer, witch is better than any hull or coaxial mg.

Then make the 34/76 25 fuel more and make it perform like the tank that it was, the tank that was copied (quite literally with one prototype) to create the Panther.

So a cheap piece of garbage?

The only thing the panther and t34 share are a sloped frontal plate.

So a cheap piece of garbage?

The only thing the panther and t34 share are a sloped frontal plate.

Yes it was cheap - and it isn't bad thing, it, a actually - good. And it wasn't garbage for mass produced battle tank, cause good tank isn't only gun and armour, it's also production and service.

It's only one thing, if you absolve it from outside. Just look at prototypes from Daimler-Benz. In inside - it has same line-up for engine-transmission cell and leading rollers, torsion bar suspension, large rollers, Daimler-Benz one even had diesel engine. MAN variant was harder to produced, but was more traditional for "German" school. It doesn't mean that Germans just copy T-34, they studied it used it benefits.

I dont understand you people, you whine that soviets call ins are op and want it nerf but you dont want stock units buffed?

I dont understand you people, you whine that soviets call ins are op and want it nerf but you dont want stock units buffed?

Their is nothing wrong with the t-34 however.

My focus would be on the su85 and su76

Their is nothing wrong with the t-34 however.

My focus would be on the su85 and su76

dayum son, where did you find this?

su85 are fine when used in formations, not spammed one being a feet away from the another and su76m's are going to get a fix soon

but t-34 sure have problems

My focus would be on the su85 and su76

It seems, that you didn't play beta, buffing some units and other changes - chmm...NDA, made T-34 even more irrelevant.

Yes it was cheap - and it isn't bad thing, it, a actually - good. And it wasn't garbage for mass produced battle tank, cause good tank isn't only gun and armour, it's also production and service.

It's only one thing, if you absolve it from outside. Just look at prototypes from Daimler-Benz. In inside - it has same line-up for engine-transmission cell and leading rollers, torsion bar suspension, large rollers, Daimler-Benz one even had diesel engine. MAN variant was harder to produced, but was more traditional for "German" school.

No the only reason people praise the t34 is because the soviet industry and economy could mass produce anything they wanted. Guarantee that if germany was the one to make the t34/76 and could only produce maybe 12-15 thousand of them we would call them idiots for making such a shit tank. Anything is good if you can make enough of them. I mean 48,000 of the 55,000 t34s made were destroyed. Not a good tank, was shit. t34/85 is the only good tank there.

Their is nothing wrong with the t-34 however.

My focus would be on the su85 and su76

you dont play this game much do you?

No the only reason people praise the t34 is because the soviet industry and economy could mass produce anything they wanted. Guarantee that if germany was the one to make the t34/76 and could only produce maybe 12-15 thousand of them we would call them idiots for making such a shit tank. Anything is good if you can make enough of them. I mean 48,000 of the 55,000 t34s made were destroyed. Not a good tank, was shit. t34/85 is the only good tank there.

where did you pull those numbers from? That doesnt even make any sense

No the only reason people praise the t34 is because the soviet industry and economy could mass produce anything they wanted. Guarantee that if germany was the one to make the t34/76 and could only produce maybe 12-15 thousand of them we would call them idiots for making such a shit tank. Anything is good if you can make enough of them. I mean 48,000 of the 55,000 t34s made were destroyed. Not a good tank, was shit. t34/85 is the only good tank there.

high kek

t34 were praised for its original design back in 1941, where they were excellent versus panzer 3s and short barreled panzer 4s

its design was revolutionary, but you just had to compare it to its relevance in 1944 and power of panthers

high kek

t34 were praised for its original design back in 1941, where they were excellent versus panzer 3s and short barreled panzer 4s

its design was revolutionary, but you just had to compare it to its relevance in 1944 and power of panthers

Thats what everyone in this thread is doing, dunno if you noticed but mulriplayer in coh is 1944-45, people are acting like t34/76s should be superior to the panzer4s.

Thats what everyone in this thread is doing, dunno if you noticed but mulriplayer in coh is 1944-45, people are acting like t34/76s should be superior to the panzer4s.

they should not, but once again, if they are in the game they have the right to not be complete shit

alex's idea was actually pretty neat, as it solves both problems of t34, it sucks versus tanks cuz low pen and crushes infantry better than shoots them. its a life failure in this game and if it had a father he would be ashamed and t34/85 would get all the candies

No the only reason people praise the t34 is because the soviet industry and economy could mass produce anything they wanted. Guarantee that if germany was the one to make the t34/76 and could only produce maybe 12-15 thousand of them we would call them idiots for making such a shit tank. Anything is good if you can make enough of them. I mean 48,000 of the 55,000 t34s made were destroyed. Not a good tank, was shit. t34/85 is the only good tank there.

You do realize that the only difference of T-34/85 from T-34/76 is turret and turret ring? Production of Т-34/76 begun in 1940 it was very innovative tank of this period, there was the need for better gun, fully cast turret, diesel engine for cold winter, cheap and simple suspension, sloped armour, even small details like turret rotation lever

It,s two in one - electric and manual, all other tanks have 2 separate levers, even Tiger. Of course it has flows, like one of the most important - lack of communication systems, cause poor production of them, or very a small area for driver and other things. The mass production of T-34/76 is connected to the adjusted production cycle, you need time and resources to change it, and in the long war you need a constant flow of new tanks, because they will die/break/abandon after retreat, no matter how "good" or expensive they are.

people are acting like t34/76s should be superior to the panzer4s.

Were? Could you tipe the number of post that says that T-34/76 must be better than Panzer IV, all I see - that people wont a role for this tank, so it could be valid choice.

And it was 35312 - T-34/76 and 21048 - T-34/85 produced until 1945.

Daspoulos has never opened a history book that wasn't biased, if at all apparently. The T34 was only reliably killed by the 88 until the heavier Panzers were developed to kill it. The long barreled Panzer 4 still had to close to a range it could hit back, also that by the time of the long barreled variants appearance, the Russians were firing back with the 85mm.

The T34 wasn't just good because it was mass produced, It was successful as it didn't get stuck in mud, didn't light on fire by moving even early in its production, didn't freeze up in the climates the invading Nazi Germany found itself in, and yes was also very easy to put together and was a damn good machine (which as much as it makes you red in the face the Nazi's saw that). Just as if production of the Panzer 4 late variants or Panther would have seen the Nazis off much better than wasting so much time and effort on tanks that equated to the production time of 4 of the less complicated Panzers. Hell someone even posted the prototype i mentioned, its a T34 drawn by German designer lol.

I think History speaks for itself, especially when the Germans developed new tanks in direct response to the "shit" T34/76.

Thanks for the usual derail Daspoulos back to topic, 76 would be fine in a more AT intensive role to encourage its use, with a fuel increase to bring that in line. As has been mentioned here, bitching about call in Meta and refusing to even hear of buffs for non doc units is pretty dumb when its the lack of good solid stock units that is the root of the issue.