No tech demo just poor design.

Jump back to quoted post21 May 2015, 08:57 AMKurtWilde

Mines do squad wipes, OH and OKW mines too. Rifle grenades wipe squads. You lose a squad or two in any game. But if you don't blob up too much spamming demos ain't gonna be an issue.

As I told Alex this is mostly an issue OKW blobbers face. Also OKW Strums are the only engies who can toggle their sweepers thus not losing any combat efficency.

Jump back to quoted post21 May 2015, 08:38 AMDon'tKnow

Yea me too.

I dont blob at all,just to let you know .I am not sure how familiar you are with the game but i am not talking about vanilla units(vet 0),i mean vetted squads who are capping during the heat of battle and then get blown up.
Sir,would you call that outplayed ?
Btw another issue is okws sweepers only have 5 range,which means if you sweep an area you may overlook one.Its like you are a farmer seeding his plants and have to go over every inch of land just to be sure to not a have sneaky mine or demo in your territory.

Exactly ALex.

Jump back to quoted post21 May 2015, 09:32 AMDon'tKnow

First of all,reveal and show me your playercard.
OKW rarely do,OH has signs with a skull on it to remind you to no walk into.
Riflenades can be avoided by playing well.
The cases you are mentioning are just because of bad decision making and/or lack of skill.
To sum up,all of your arguements are redundant.


I dont blob and its still sometimes an issue for me.

I'd rather dont have that ability and instead get a bigger radius.

Jump back to quoted post21 May 2015, 17:50 PMKurtWilde

"reveal and show me your playercard" where did you learn your English? From watching Harry Potter movies?

Jump back to quoted post21 May 2015, 14:38 PMWingZero

Extactly true ^^^ not to mention Wehrmacht mines have a potential for squad wipes for muni as well.

Jump back to quoted post21 May 2015, 19:57 PMAlexzandvar

If you get squad wiped from walking into a minefield that literally has signs well I don't know what to say.

Jump back to quoted post21 May 2015, 19:57 PMAlexzandvar

If you get squad wiped from walking into a minefield that literally has signs well I don't know what to say.

Jump back to quoted post21 May 2015, 19:00 PMBulgakov

Do we need to insult each other's English? It doesn't seem relevant.


Demo has been in the game since day one, it doesn't make it good. Can you be honest and say you've played a lot of game vs soviets using demo? From the bottom of my heart, if you haven't, please believe me, it's really an unpleasant experience. Might I recommend you try playing 20-30 games right now as OKW? You might see what some of the forum users are saying. gameplay is suffering from certain things and demo is certainly one of them.

Jump back to quoted post21 May 2015, 19:52 PMDon'tKnow

Dont distract ,it seems that you are afraid but being noob isnt a bad thing.
You can continue to complain about my english,it wont change the fact that i currently deem you as a noob.
Demos are no rng wth you are even talking about ? Forget it,make up your mind,play some games as axis against mine and demo spammer then we can talk further.

Jump back to quoted post22 May 2015, 05:27 AMKurtWilde

Well it was kinda funny, 'reveal and show me' very harry potterish or porn movish. I have not played much OKW games coz they are boring and repetitive. And I play as Soviets most of the time, thus i am a bit biased towards them.

However, specialy in 2v2 matches, demos seem to be the only way to deal with the the blob.

Jump back to quoted post22 May 2015, 11:22 AMBulgakov

It was a bit Harry Potterish but still, he's done well to learn English and saying revealiarmus doesn't detract from his point Also, what porn movies are you watching? (o_0)



I'm unfortunately also stuck to playing one faction which leaves me somewhat blinb the pain of the opposing armies having to deal with OKW OP things. Still, I consider complaints about OKW and I hope you'll at least consider the argument being presented against demo.



It might be the case that Demo is the only/best way to deal with blobs. As such, the argument for removing demo should certainly be edited to add in new anti-blob units. I would like to see other options that are very effective vs blobs but not so effective vs individual units. That would punish blobbing without punishing standard CoH playstyle.



While expensive, the Katyusha is a great punisher of blobs and the doctrinal strafe is nice too. Still I think the game needs more blob-counters for all armies. Just not demo.

Jump back to quoted post23 May 2015, 05:19 AMKurtWilde

See, when I play against OH, I hardly use demos. But when I play against OKW, I always use demos because I know my opponent would blob. Do I think blobbing can be eradicated? Nah, remember the PE blob in CoH 1? They in fact got incentives to blob. And demos and mines are the only proper blob counters we have, unless you are OKW where you get a bigger blob

Jump back to quoted post23 May 2015, 06:01 AMskemshead

Had relic made it an upgrade from the start, then they could have easily changed the upgrade value every patch if required, depending largely on the changes they made to infantry and support weapons.

I mean, just about every ability in every faction needs to be upgraded in some manner so why not demos. I simply do not understand the logic behind the decision given the effect it can have. It simply reinforces my view that relic wants to appeal to simpletons, whilst believing the rest of the community will just suck it up..

OKW design is simply broken. There really is little choice except to spam which quickly leads to blobbing on many maps. In regard to OST i generally only see it if OST player goes heavy lmg gren spam and the sov player decides to not go elite inf, or 120, or T70.

But it still seems logical that is should be a strategic decision based on what sov player is facing rather than some spur of the moment act of cheese simply because munis are available.

Jump back to quoted post23 May 2015, 07:01 AMKurtWilde

Erm, rifle nade, LMG upgrade, faust?

Well I guess the problem is the OKW design then? Demos really help you deal with the OKW blob and its the OKW player who blobs that is greatly punished by mines or demos. HOWEVER I believe that blobbing is also a strategy and that you can't get rid of blobs, so getting rid of / making it difficult to obtain blob counters is insane

Jump back to quoted post23 May 2015, 08:20 AMKatitof

@PanzerGeneralForever how the hell did you got gren LMG price at 75?
Because it always did and does cost 60.