Remove free lieutenant
3 May 2015, 09:38 AM
#101
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Why is this thread about everything other than the free lieutenant?
3 May 2015, 15:45 PM
#102
Posts: 1617
Why is this thread about everything other than the free lieutenant?
Because this is COH2.org
3 May 2015, 15:51 PM
#103
Posts: 314
I would support USF players having to buy the leftenant since every other faction has to buy the tech on top of buying the units that said teching unlocked. Alternatively, if USF players want their free Leftenant squad, then I want a free unit from each tier I unlock as OKW.
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3 May 2015, 16:04 PM
#104
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Good maths. In any case do you agree that a KT doesn't cost 260 fuel, that the Flak HQ doesn't cost 80, etc?
They cost what they cost.
Amazing but depressing about how people always complain about OKW resource penalties but never mention salvage...
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3 May 2015, 19:11 PM
#105
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They cost what they cost.
Amazing but depressing about how people always complain about OKW resource penalties but never mention salvage...
Because it relies on your opponent sucking ass in order to make an appreciable difference. A unit that costs 100 fuel for Soviets will cost 142 fuel for OKW. To make up the difference you would need to salvage 8 tanks or support weapons.
If your enemy is losing that much shit, it's gg anyway.
3 May 2015, 19:26 PM
#106
Posts: 987
They cost what they cost.
Amazing but depressing about how people always complain about OKW resource penalties but never mention salvage...
You're dead wrong. They cost the equivalent fuel. You have to convert in order to compare fuel costs of vehicles between factions.
Wow, really? 5 to 20 fuel a game is what you can expect from salvaging, the rest you have to be lucky enough to get a wreck/weapon in a good position.
It's depressing that people think that OKW has some special thing that makes up for the lack of fuel. Scavenge and A few vet bonuses in a game with squad wipes all the time is not worth it.
Let's keep it constructive
3 May 2015, 19:47 PM
#107
Posts: 2561
I would support USF players having to buy the leftenant since every other faction has to buy the tech on top of buying the units that said teching unlocked. Alternatively, if USF players want their free Leftenant squad, then I want a free unit from each tier I unlock as OKW.Oh I'm sorry. Is the giant tank destroying doom cannon not enough. You could have just said wehr or soviets, but you had to bring up the one other faction that gets free shit with tech.
3 May 2015, 21:11 PM
#108
Posts: 8154 | Subs: 2
They cost what they cost.
Exactly.
It's only useful to account and see timing of arrival of certain units. It's trivial when doing cost efficiency, since you don't take into account faction design as a whole.
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3 May 2015, 21:29 PM
#109
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Exactly.
It's only useful to account and see timing of arrival of certain units. It's trivial when doing cost efficiency, since you don't take into account faction design as a whole.
Considering timing and arrival have everything to do with performance...
The only people that try and play down the OKW fuel penalty are normally 1. People who don't normally play OKW enough to get a good grasp on the handicap, or 2. People who don't pay attention to reason why the OKW MP float exists and is so problematic.
Trying to overlook the core feature of the faction is insanity, it would be like trying to discuss USF but overlooking decrewing, or overlook Soviets 6 men squads.
4 May 2015, 03:30 AM
#110
Posts: 3552 | Subs: 2
The only people that try and play down the OKW fuel penalty are normally 1. People who don't normally play OKW enough to get a good grasp on the handicap, or 2. People who don't pay attention to reason why the OKW MP float exists and is so problematic.
My 350+ games as OKW would disagree with you.
OKW MP float only exists if you choose not spend it
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4 May 2015, 03:51 AM
#111
Posts: 959
Oh I'm sorry. Is the giant tank destroying doom cannon not enough. You could have just said wehr or soviets, but you had to bring up the one other faction that gets free shit with tech.
if you lose flak truck, you have to wait 4 mins and pay another 80 fuel to replace it. But for usf units, well ...
4 May 2015, 04:24 AM
#112
Posts: 2561
You also have to pay to replace it. A flak truck is far more powerful then a single luitenent and USF doesn't have the same variety of units in their initial building to fall back on if they lose it. The USF started out with them losing the building if the officer was killed and testing proved it was a bad idea.
if you lose flak truck, you have to wait 4 mins and pay another 80 fuel to replace it. But for usf units, well ...
4 May 2015, 04:26 AM
#113
Posts: 3552 | Subs: 2
It's my observation that most people who lose flak trucks do so for one of the following reasons:
1) They use like it's a bunker and wonder why it dies
2) They try setting it up in an area they don't fully control
3) It's get taken out by concerted allied late game effort
1 and 2 are risk/reward and LTP issues
1) They use like it's a bunker and wonder why it dies
2) They try setting it up in an area they don't fully control
3) It's get taken out by concerted allied late game effort
1 and 2 are risk/reward and LTP issues
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PS: The Italian Army fought with courage and skill
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4 May 2015, 05:45 AM
#114
Posts: 959
It's my observation that most people who lose flak trucks do so for one of the following reasons:
1) They use like it's a bunker and wonder why it dies
2) They try setting it up in an area they don't fully control
3) It's get taken out by concerted allied late game effort
1 and 2 are risk/reward and LTP issues
too many people use it too silly as 1
it's not a damn bunker, it's primarily your access to some of ur most important units
4 May 2015, 05:59 AM
#115
Posts: 1802 | Subs: 1
My 350+ games as OKW would disagree with you.
OKW MP float only exists if you choose not spend it
In larger games OKW is fine, hell, OKW is OP in larger games. All you need is a decent team so you can REK anyone. In 1s it's very different. In 2s it's a bit better.
Oh my god this thread is about LT...
4 May 2015, 14:41 PM
#116
Posts: 1484
Wehrmacht takes allot more micro against USF. USF takes allot more micro against OKW. I don't see any top level players complain about Wehrmacht after the patch.
The only difficulty I have with LT tech is the HT, but P4 can solve this problem. LT by himself is fine, he can be suppressed, sniped and kited with scout car.
You guys are seem to forget USF is a MP bleeder. If USF has to pay for LT, we need to adjust prices for Riflemen or something else.
The only difficulty I have with LT tech is the HT, but P4 can solve this problem. LT by himself is fine, he can be suppressed, sniped and kited with scout car.
You guys are seem to forget USF is a MP bleeder. If USF has to pay for LT, we need to adjust prices for Riflemen or something else.
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4 May 2015, 16:48 PM
#117
Posts: 8154 | Subs: 2
It's my observation that most people who lose flak trucks do so for one of the following reasons:
1) They use like it's a bunker and wonder why it dies
2) They try setting it up in an area they don't fully control
3) It's get taken out by concerted allied late game effort
1 and 2 are risk/reward and LTP issues
4) Tries to manually micro the thing, and the setup time continues to reset.
Conclusion: you are been punished for not attack moving
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
4 May 2015, 18:04 PM
#118
8 Posts: 2470
4) Tries to manually micro the thing, and the setup time continues to reset.
Conclusion: you are been punished for not attack moving
i think he meant the flakHQ. but yeah, the flaktrack has some stupid quirks related to the setup time and shooting the ground.
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