Relic, you gonna fix 120mm, or not?

Jump back to quoted post20 May 2015, 04:21 AMAlexzandvar

It was nerfed shortly after release, which is a fact. It has worse damage, worse AoE, and shittier veterancy than the 120. There is quite literally nothing about the ISG to make it more desirable over the 120. With the ISG you are paying more MP for nothing except the RNG chance to maybe do suppression 3 or 4 times in game.

Extrapolating out from this, your either A. trolling or B. really ignorant.

Jump back to quoted post20 May 2015, 05:36 AMPorygon

No, ISG is quite good currently.
The suppression make it a good unit, with OKW manpower float you can always spend two, it can be quite devastating, in open map ofc.

Jump back to quoted post20 May 2015, 13:55 PMWingZero

ISG is way more useful than 120mm, this gun can suppress and damage infantry.

Jump back to quoted post20 May 2015, 08:43 AMJohnnyB

I kinda like the ISG right now though it doesn't do such a great job to justify its price. One ISG on map is ok, two are really good.....

Jump back to quoted post20 May 2015, 13:59 PMThunderhun

120 doesn't need suppression as it leaves nothing that could be suppressed and deals more damage than the ISG for a lower price.

Jump back to quoted post20 May 2015, 14:14 PMAerohank

With the rampant use of super cost-effective guardspam followed with no-tech call-ins, I have trouble finding the manpower for even 1 ISG. Let alone 2!

As for the ISG's performance... It's alright. It deals less damage than the Packhowitzer but it has a lot more range and is safer to use. It's also a lot better at hitting moving targets than the 120mm. I do however thing the ISG needs a damage buff to buildings/units in buildings to justify its price.

Jump back to quoted post20 May 2015, 15:48 PMBulgakov

Big +1


OKW doesn't have much anti-garrison firepower, I think an anti-building buff might be beneficial to gameplay. Even without a buff it seems a pretty effective weapon.


porygon, you can really afford two? I'm gonna try that but I suffer from what Aerohank described vs Guards Motor.

Jump back to quoted post20 May 2015, 14:36 PMWingZero

ISG is more efficient against blobs (or even two squads near by). The 120mm is entirely RNG dependent for squad wipes (not to mention all other mortars have this ability).

Noob question - does the 120mm have more range than the ISG? I can see those things having serious problems if they ran into 120mm counterbattery fire...

Jump back to quoted post20 May 2015, 18:02 PMAlexzandvar

Nope, but the ISG is ineffective at long range so pretty much everyone uses it in close range were it can be killed by the 120. The crew bunches up around the gun so normally 1 shell is enough to kill an ISG.

Jump back to quoted post20 May 2015, 18:09 PMAerohank

The crew bunching for the ISG is often not that bad from my experience. The 120mm though.. Those 6 men bunch up like crazy.

Jump back to quoted post20 May 2015, 14:14 PMAerohank

With the rampant use of super cost-effective guardspam followed with no-tech call-ins, I have trouble finding the manpower for even 1 ISG. Let alone 2!

Jump back to quoted post26 May 2015, 09:56 AMcarloff

Guys, i like to see some good stuff at nerfing hammer flying around. But this is bit too much. 120 WAS a good tool to fight vs blobs, now it's ORDINARY mortar with 100 damager for 400 mp. And you want to nerf it more couse it's still wiping squads?

Why i can't see same topics for KT's wipouting whole inf squads? Or same topics about shtuka?

Jezz...