Ostheer, the never ending struggle

Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2015, 11:45 AMJohnnyB

Would this be so much different from what it does allready? Besides, killing one model at 5 seconds would be nasty for grenadiers, so-so for volkgrenadiers and rifles, and not such a big deal for soviets. Model numbers in a squad it's not counted among soviet weaknesses ya know.

Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2015, 08:54 AMJohnnyB

Not only this. But the scout car will kill the PTRS blob too.
What are we talking about? Let's get serious. The "buffs" for Ostheer were just smoke in the eyes. Thrown by a soviet mortar that is.

Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2015, 07:24 AMJohnnyB

Austerlitz, is tiring to explain people why Ostheer is currently bullshit. Let them enjoy a while the OPness of their beloved faction. There are 3 things that are currently working against IS2, end of story. And they are: Elefant, Tiger Ace and PAK 43.

Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2015, 14:23 PMQueenRatchet123

L2p

Ost has no issues killing an is2. Like a said a million times, Double paks with either a faust, mine, or stun round from pak. will Be a DEAD IS2. Its too slow with a damaged engine to escape the paks and when stunned with 2 paks firing. Its already dead.

OKW struggles a bit more, but not by much. Reketens do penetrate often just like Shreks. The only thing u have to worry about is the rekettens being whiped. And there is always the option of a well-placed pak43

If u see that ur opponent when Is2's. This can be easily punished in many ways

CAS to basically bring IS2 down to 30% in one pass ( also strafe pesky infrantry so they can de-crew uyr paks

Spotting scout to allow u to use the full potential of ur AT weapons

and Lighting war, u get tiger, g43's, and Skill strafe

But if usf had m1919's, pershing, and p47 in one commander, i bet the axis fanboys would cry of OP'ness

Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2015, 08:33 AMKatitof

Are you really that dumb to make yourself believe that fixing ost vs USF early game and buffing them against sov all at the same time is "minor change"?

There is nothing wrong with their mid game and they always had strong late game so no changes were needed there. Their only big problem was early game against USF and guess what? Thats exactly what patch fixed.

The MIMIMI mentality of certain players is simply astonishing.

Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2015, 13:52 PMWingZero

Don't build a scout car then? How long did we have this game for? We all know Ost vs Sov match up will entail, there are no surprises there. Counter everything accordingly as we have been doing this sine 2013. Con spam can be stopped with MG-42 and Gren LMGs.

Nathanm, don't be a moron and compare Scout car vs IS2.

Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2015, 14:23 PMQueenRatchet123

L2p

Ost has no issues killing an is2. Like a said a million times, Double paks with either a faust, mine, or stun round from pak. will Be a DEAD IS2. Its too slow with a damaged engine to escape the paks and when stunned with 2 paks firing. Its already dead.

OKW struggles a bit more, but not by much. Reketens do penetrate often just like Shreks. The only thing u have to worry about is the rekettens being whiped. And there is always the option of a well-placed pak43

If u see that ur opponent when Is2's. This can be easily punished in many ways

CAS to basically bring IS2 down to 30% in one pass ( also strafe pesky infrantry so they can de-crew uyr paks

Spotting scopes to allow u to use the full potential of ur AT weapons

and Lighting war, u get tiger, g43's, and Skill strafe

But if usf had m1919's, pershing, and p47 in one commander, i bet the axis fanboys would cry of OP'ness

LAstely, u need to learn how to punish any player that waits for call-ins. Bleed the sov player by rushing a fast AA HT, Luchs, P4, or Ostwind. Then prepare for his cal-ins.

There is no reason why u fail to prepare for the inevitable, then come on these forums to complain that sov are impossible to beat when every issue u "claim" is a l2p issue.

Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2015, 14:36 PMNathanm465

It's funny, whenever I see you post something, it is usually something in the line of L2P. Yet when we are talking basic faction design, which is flawed, you proclaim L2P?

Mhhkay

Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2015, 14:56 PMQueenRatchet123

No he wasn't

He was trying to convince us that IS2's are impossible

Im telling him that he needs to l2p, very simple

He played a game as Ost, failed to prepare for IS2's and now wants us to belive that the unit is "OP". When in reality, it is indeed a L2P issue.

Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2015, 11:10 AMKatitof

I don't know.
Imagine M20 killing a model every 5 seconds from max range.
You see the picture yet?

Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2015, 12:01 PMmeh

Relic has NEVER gotten the Model Counts correct, do you remember when the game first came out and ostheer mortar and MG teams were 3 men squad each? And than they increased it to four? The simple fact that the game released in this manner tells me one of two things 1) They never fully tested the balance even within beta 2) They just hot fixed the situation without real analysis. I mean they only had two armies at the time why was it so difficult or complicated?

Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2015, 15:17 PMYouGetGot

Then it would be a T-70

Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2015, 17:10 PMLemonJuice

If soviets are so op you guys should be able to beat me if I play ostheer...right?

Edit: or as usf

Jump back to quoted post15 Apr 2015, 18:06 PMLemonJuice

if a better player beats you, blame their skill or your lack of rather than the games balance.