What about su-76?

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2015, 01:40 AMRemi

I don't think the SU-76 is really that bad, it's a bit fragile sure but it's a decent mobile indirect fire platform that can also scare off a luch/flak.

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2015, 01:40 AMRemi

I don't think the SU-76 is really that bad, it's a bit fragile sure but it's a decent mobile indirect fire platform that can also scare off a luch/flak.

I think the main issue is Soviets are spoiled with so many great arty pieces why should people bother to buy one when they can invest 400mp in a 120mm that will pay for itself three times over and squad wipe the entire game.

The above point is why it's so rare IMO

Jump back to quoted post9 Apr 2015, 21:08 PMbraciszek

T3 and T4 have retarded unit placement. T4 is support with katyusha rocket artillery and the su-85 tank destroyer. Then some bozo decides to shove the attempt at a jack of all trades su-seventyshit-m spg. Minus the AT capability and infantry support the actual tank had. DOES NOT BELONG

I still object that the t-70 and t34 are in the same tier, as the t34 undermines the t-70 (imo, since the t-70 would be seen much more often if it was in T4 as it is the elite infantry model sniper) by costing not much more.

I envision a t-70 guarding the katyusha and su-85 while the su-76m would be the ranged AT for the T34/76 as well as bonus artillery support but

HURR RELIC DESIGN T3 OR T4 (AKA use callins and screw that noise)

It seems to take years to do obvious, simple positive changes that only require a UI change... But new content and more bugs are more important.

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2015, 00:44 AMStonethecrow01

I agree Su-76 is not able to be used as an impact unit like the T-70. With veterancy it has substantially more uses as the game goes on though.

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2015, 21:16 PMWhat Doth Life?!

Swap it with the T70 and almost no stat changes would need to be made IMO. Swap the Penal Battallion and PM-41 Mortar and Soviets could finally have some interdependence in their tiers instead of all of them being extremely narrow.

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2015, 22:55 PMpigsoup

its barrage is terribly inaccurate. its free, but i hope it would be more accurate.

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2015, 23:03 PMVuther

I think it's like a ZiS-3 barrage with a bit more range and accompanying worsened accuracy at that range. I tried testing the two and a ZiS-3 barrage at max range is about as accurate as an SU-76 firing at the same range.

When the SU-76 fires at max range, I saw the barrage frequently miss the center entirely...

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2015, 00:38 AMpigsoup

dont they have same max range?

i once used su76 barrage ~30m away from a mg42 and i was shocked at how off some stray shots were. i will test later.

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2015, 21:24 PMVuther

I dunno about that, it'd probably still look like a hunk of junk that can barely penetrate most things on the field while tanks are starting to rampage around so the AT boost to T3 would be pretty minimal.

Swapping PM-41 and Penals would be pretty interesting though, there are certainly many times I'd like Penals to have smoke cover for an attack. They're obviously still far worse than Rifles, but if you somehow magically get their flamethrowers in range, they usually do pretty well. And T70 with their scouting ability in T4 would definitely be pure sex.

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2015, 18:54 PMSarantini

I think if you swap the su76 with the t70 there is no reason to go t3
T70 is so much better at killing infantry than the t34 and in fact I'd say t70 scales much better than the t34 due to the sight adn speed.
Light vehicles can be dealt with zis atguns and the su85 can take over that role later on in the game.
2 specialist units are better than 2 generalist units
Sherman + Jackson is better than 2 eazy esights
t70 + su85 is better than t34 + su76

Coupled with the fact that the katyusha is one of the best indirect fire units while the m5 is less used.

No, I htink the su76 needs more health and faster cooldown on the barrage. 400hp seems fine

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2015, 21:31 PMPanzerGeneralForever

T70 and SU-85 in the same tier would be slaughter. No reason to go t3 if they are both together imo.

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2015, 18:54 PMSarantini

I think if you swap the su76 with the t70 there is no reason to go t3
T70 is so much better at killing infantry than the t34 and in fact I'd say t70 scales much better than the t34 due to the sight adn speed.
Light vehicles can be dealt with zis atguns and the su85 can take over that role later on in the game.
2 specialist units are better than 2 generalist units
Sherman + Jackson is better than 2 eazy esights
t70 + su85 is better than t34 + su76

Coupled with the fact that the katyusha is one of the best indirect fire units while the m5 is less used.

No, I htink the su76 needs more health and faster cooldown on the barrage. 400hp seems fine

Jump back to quoted post13 Apr 2015, 22:03 PMNuclear Arbitor

the 34/76 needs a buff against infantry (better AoE) coupled with the swap. the idea being that t3 has a tough AI vehicle pair with a weaker (hp/armour wise) AT vehicle while t4 has a tough AT vehicle coupled with a weaker AI vehicle. there's also differentiation between the two tiers with their respective 3rd units, infantry support in one and artillery in the other.