Is the King Tiger still worth 260 fuel?

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2015, 17:21 PMLemonJuice

Here's the thing though, if your opponent has enough fuel to call in 2 or 3 is2s once they have 11 cp and you havent punished them for doing infantry only play you kind of deserve to lose. The only fuel purchase I mentioned with the jp4. You don't even need to get it to have good supporting at, and if they're not teching you don't need it at all, you can just rely on shrek raketen and mines. If you get the jp4 though it significantly helps in dealing with enemy armor and stalling the game to get your units more vet and grind it out for the kt.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 17:16 PMBrutusHR

Well, he talked about how much do u need to spend resources to get IS-2 and Tiger II on field. This is kinda unfair change IMO, Soviets can deal with KT, USF cant. So they just created a new problem to solve one. reverse KT to old state, buff USF AT and buff zooks(!) and give them a jumbo. Obers: leave them like this but make 380 mp, and if they nerfed mg 34 they should nerf m1919 but just for rifles, they should leave m1919 for paras as is.
Buff pzgrens for ostheer, so they can take a hit and teching should be little cheaper with buffing panzerwerfer, and bum. U got alot better balance situation. Still IMO

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 16:18 PMAlexzandvar

Showing you obvious easy to look up numbers =/= theory crafting.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 16:19 PMSpecialka

The thing is the Soviet player will most of the time build others stuff like Tier building and T34/su85 etc...

To get the KT, you just need to build all the Tier which you definitively need to do your game.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 17:37 PMGrumpy

I've got an old replay of a vet 5 KT. It took something like 10 tanks to kill it, and we still lost more than they did.

http://www.coh2.org/replay/32121/tab-vs-grossdeutschland

You do have a point about how balancing is done. It would simpler and probably better to buff the counters to a unit than to do both a buff/nerf. Then the problem would get done to simpler questions like what will counter a JagdTiger?

All in all, this seems like a good patch.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 18:00 PMQueenRatchet123

The same way a sniper does "80 Damage"?

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 16:04 PMAustralian Magic

You look at situation when you rely only on T2. I never do that. 120 for T3 and T70 or and T34 is very important.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 16:19 PMSpecialka

The thing is the Soviet player will most of the time build others stuff like Tier building and T34/su85 etc...

To get the KT, you just need to build all the Tier which you definitively need to do your game.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 17:37 PMGrumpy

Then the problem would get done to simpler questions like what will counter a JagdTiger?

All in all, this seems like a good patch.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 18:06 PMdaspoulos

Thats not really what people do. The meta is build like t2 or t1 and wait is2s and t34/85s. You're hurting yourself by teching to t3/t4 if ur just going to use call ins. So you float a lot of fuel easy by the 11 cp mark. Only thing you have to do is save manpower. Fuel isn't an issue because you don't have to tech up.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 17:02 PMGrumpy

So 720/260 is almost twice as much as 640/230? If you want to throw in BS like adding up the truck costs, then you should also add in what the soviet player would have to buy to get the same utility (field hospital upgrade, roughly 2 CE's to repair as fast as a truck, at least two AA halftracks to simulate the Panzer Schwerer), and every allied player should be able to make a FHQ that is both repairable and stronger than any ambient building.

The OKW gets those abilities without losing popcap, while the Soviet gets only the healing without losing popcap and the USF doesn't even get that.

The KT does have 50% more damage (240vs160), 25% more health (1280vs1040), and two additional levels of veterancy for ~10% more cost, plus it is non-doctrinal.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 18:38 PMAustralian Magic

T1 or T2 is always a way but not necessary. Sometiems, after wave of cons it's better to get T70 or/and T34 to put a huge pressue. Relying on T2 means you will act defensively and your enemy has a chance to regroups and retake points. 8min T70 followed by 14min T34 and provide really amazing power. Then you call IS2 just to finish job, not to make it.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 18:38 PMAustralian Magic

T1 or T2 is always a way but not necessary. Sometiems, after wave of cons it's better to get T70 or/and T34 to put a huge pressue. Relying on T2 means you will act defensively and your enemy has a chance to regroups and retake points. 8min T70 followed by 14min T34 and provide really amazing power. Then you call IS2 just to finish job, not to make it.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 19:36 PMpussyking

KT should get a fuel cost increase. Its the best all around tank in the game.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 16:06 PMAlexzandvar

All of those things except the Panther have less of a chance to penetrate the KT than the Jackson does, and the Panther doesn't do 200 damage or has 240 damage HVAP shells.

The biggest advantage Axis has in AT is the super heavy TD's like the Jadgtiger and Elefant, as well as the Pak43 (which seriously isn't an issue for allied players with the large amount of indirect they can field against it, the premier IS2 doctrine has flame barrages).



This isn't hard at all with the IS2 doctrine, you get Shock Troops from it as well as the KV-8. The T34 is basically only good for facing down enemy infantry, not really much point when you get get a KV-8 as a call in.

T1 + T2 into IS2's is fairly standard since you get every tool you need, it basically is just a mirror of the Ostheer T1 + T2 into Tigers.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 19:50 PMThe Silver Sage

The Jackson is the pinnacle of USF AT, why shouldn't it be better at penetration that those other units listed?

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Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 19:50 PMThe Silver Sage

The Jackson is the pinnacle of USF AT, why shouldn't it be better at penetration that those other units listed?

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