PTRS now OP?

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 20:35 PMAlexzandvar

The PTRS has higher DPS than the LMG42 and LMG34; I think you can see the issue with cons being able to get 2.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 22:55 PMelchino7

As i said before, change PTRS prioritization at first. On the video shows clearly 8/9 PTRS shots hitting the weapon and not the crew.



11.561 16.802 16.833 LMG34
5.667 8.191 8.169 LMG42
9.371 6.403 3.436 PTRS (coh2stats)
4.992 4.16 1.8304 PTRS (manually done DPS)
6.818 4.231 3.309 Kar Ober
5.203 2.611 1.968 Kar Gren
2.989 1.521 0.734 Mosin Con
4.113 2.234 1.238 Mosin Guard

Note: i doubt of that PTRS dps. While the google spreadsheet is outdated, i verified that stats on the spreadsheet and coh2stats are equal (bar accuracy) and looking manually for the DPS shows that it's:

4.992 4.16 1.8304
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Would love to know how DPS is calculated on the coh2stats page.

IF the DPS is the one showed up on coh2stats IMO PTRS DPS should be cut in 40-30-20%. This would make it a slightly better Kar98 Gren rifle. If DPS is what i mentioned, leave it as it is.

Anyway, i think DPS should be the other way round. Higher at longer range, lower at close range (just like pathfinders). Since the PTRS is consider like a sniper rifle right?

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 22:54 PMTobis

Please just ignore Pussking. Seriously, that is all it takes.

Please, you can save us all by just not responding to him. Everybody knows he is wrong, you don't have anything to prove.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 21:28 PMASneakyFox

that MG should have lost that engagement regardless. a single 240 MP machine gun does not and should not beat 5 full squads of conscripts. (or 5 full squads of grenadiers or volksgren or...)

if you had any kind of synergy or combined arms going on you would have run all 5 squads of conscripts off the map, but you just had a single MG.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 22:49 PMpussyking

Was the HMG at full health at the moment cons attacked?

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 22:58 PMAlexzandvar

My point of bringing up the DPS is the fact that it allows a Con squad to kill a crew weapon very fast compared to an Ober blob or Gren blob. Not that V infantry it is better pure DPS wise.

Still though, the PTRS's burst damage is great as two hits is a dead model and that's not hard to achieve when you have 8+ PTRS's.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 22:55 PMelchino7

As i said before, change PTRS prioritization at first. On the video shows clearly 8/9 PTRS shots hitting the weapon and not the crew.

Jump back to quoted post1 Apr 2015, 16:23 PMBlackKorp

The ->CONSCRIPT<- PTRS anti tank rifle from the tank hunter doctrin is ultra OP i can not find any words for it. The PTRS is giving fuks to all 2-3 hits and MG,At guns etc, just poffs into nothing the entire unit is dead becaus they kill he weapon itself with just some shots.

Im so damn frustrated after this patch... i don´t have to describe how much things are still in a bad shape etc. bla bla.

Replay here http://www.coh2.org/replay/32882/ptrs-conscripts-do-oneshot

Edit, here a Video example with absolut no skill:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_Dfjl_kGEI

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 22:46 PMpussyking

I dont know if that is true as you provide no video evidence.

I can speculate PTRS might affect ambient world objects which shift and crush models and HMGs.

You have to keep in mind that the video porygon posted was arranged.

Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2015, 02:49 AMilGetUSomDay

Well as entertaining as it was to see that, a single machine gun held up 4 upgraded conscripts squads for about 30 seconds. That is pretty impressive. If that had been the US 50 cal vs an ober squad you would not have lasted that long.

Imagine 4 upgraded grens against a maxim, It would have died even faster.

While I do believe the PTRS accuracy should be nerfed a bit on conscripts, they by no means are unbearable or incredibly OP. They are much more manageable than the equivalent Axis long range blob

Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2015, 06:39 AMcomm_ash

Guards PTRS is in a good spot right now. They are an expensive squad that will never be your mainline infantry.

Conscripts' PTRS is the problem. They are your first unit, and people will make a minimum of 3 of them in 1v1s. Conscripts are cheap enough to be spammed, and with hoorah they can close the distance to enemy squads and take advantage of the PTRS's 60% accuracy.

Conscript PTRS needs to become a lot less accurate to show how they are not elite troops, just fresh conscripts. Setting accuracy to about 50% (maybe more) for conscripts ONLY would make the PTRS balanced.

I haven't had the chance to mess with partisans yet, but I think that they should be fine since they are a 270mp squad that is much easier to deal with.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 22:55 PMelchino7

As i said before, change PTRS prioritization at first. On the video shows clearly 8/9 PTRS shots hitting the weapon and not the crew.



11.561 16.802 16.833 LMG34
5.667 8.191 8.169 LMG42
9.371 6.403 3.436 PTRS (coh2stats)
4.992 4.16 1.8304 PTRS (manually done DPS)
6.818 4.231 3.309 Kar Ober
5.203 2.611 1.968 Kar Gren
2.989 1.521 0.734 Mosin Con
4.113 2.234 1.238 Mosin Guard

Note: i doubt of that PTRS dps. While the google spreadsheet is outdated, i verified that stats on the spreadsheet and coh2stats are equal (bar accuracy) and looking manually for the DPS shows that it's:

4.992 4.16 1.8304
Show Spoiler

Would love to know how DPS is calculated on the coh2stats page.

IF the DPS is the one showed up on coh2stats IMO PTRS DPS should be cut in 40-30-20%. This would make it a slightly better Kar98 Gren rifle. If DPS is what i mentioned, leave it as it is.

Anyway, i think DPS should be the other way round. Higher at longer range, lower at close range (just like pathfinders). Since the PTRS is consider like a sniper rifle right?

4.992 4.16 1.8304 PTRS (manually done DPS)

Jump back to quoted post4 Apr 2015, 01:16 AMelchino7

Before the patch, killing an empty weapon was as fast as shown up on the video (taking into account supression reduces to 25% dps, therefore 2 PTRS takes roughly the same time).

You can kill EMPTY support weapons as easily with 3 Shrecks or 3 zooks. This rises the point, as i've already said, that probably prioritization of target is set higher to the support weapon rather than the crew.