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USF vs Ostheer still horrible MU

1 Apr 2015, 13:57 PM
#21
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Damage and suppion effect are linked, so yes you could be right.
1 Apr 2015, 14:00 PM
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RageOfTheSixYearOld is upset that he got rekt on HelpingHans stream, losing all his rifles to a Ost Sniper Ace
1 Apr 2015, 14:06 PM
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The MG42 should also be vetting up much faster now that it is doing more damage.
1 Apr 2015, 14:14 PM
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1 Apr 2015, 14:22 PM
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Wow these emotes have me lolzing

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1 Apr 2015, 14:27 PM
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Damage and suppion effect are linked, so yes you could be right.

No, they are not, you're just clueless.
Rate of fire, suppression value and burst duration affect suppression, not damage.
1 Apr 2015, 14:29 PM
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1 Apr 2015, 15:11 PM
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So lets see what's wrong with this MU:

1) no counter to late game 2x sniper build (since it will be protected/supported
2) still no counter to Tiger with Pak support
3) Lmg grens still beat rifles despite costing less manpower/munitions
4) No USF super heavy tank
5) MG42 is now great vs USF

The main issue with this MU is you simply cannot defeat axis late game super heavy tanks, and once 2 tigers hit field you are fracked. The End.
1 Apr 2015, 15:17 PM
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I hope a Random Kappa appears at the end of this post
So lets see what's wrong with this MU:

1) no counter to late game 2x sniper build (since it will be protected/supported
2) still no counter to Tiger with Pak support
3) Lmg grens still beat rifles despite costing less manpower/munitions
4) No USF super heavy tank
5) MG42 is now great vs USF

The main issue with this MU is you simply cannot defeat axis late game super heavy tanks, and once 2 tigers hit field you are fracked. The End. [/quote



1 Apr 2015, 16:06 PM
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m42 literally suppreses my rifles in one burst now
1 Apr 2015, 16:08 PM
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m42 literally suppreses my rifles in one burst now


But the MG 42 always did that if you weren't at the very edge of the arc. Usually.
1 Apr 2015, 16:10 PM
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But the MG 42 always did that if you weren't at the very edge of the arc. Usually.


My point is u can lock down a usf player untill u get a scout car.

Forcing the usf player to tech to m20 to counter ur mg's

Mg42 no joke suppresse in one burst. I have to constamtly instant retreat
1 Apr 2015, 16:11 PM
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Unlikely. Unless I am very mistaken, MG42 has the exact same suppression value as in the last patch, meaning, if you run into it at short range&no cover, you will get suppressed on the first burst, otherwise, its gonna need at least 2. All it did receive, in practical terms, was a long range damage buff. Because the long range damage output was exactly its problem ...
1 Apr 2015, 16:11 PM
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If everything goes wrong as axis against US Forces, choose the Tiger Ace and enjoy your Win.


Care to post a tournamnet replay of the last time a tiger ace was used? No even that it won, just used.
1 Apr 2015, 16:21 PM
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I maybe wrong but I could've sworn the Jackson was still three shotting Panzer 4's earlier, I'll see if I can get a webm up later tongiht.
1 Apr 2015, 16:23 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post1 Apr 2015, 16:21 PMRollo
I maybe wrong but I could've sworn the Jackson was still three shotting Panzer 4's earlier, I'll see if I can get a webm up later tongiht.


People are saying the Jackson still does 240 damage with HVAP. Haven't had a chance to try it myself though
1 Apr 2015, 16:32 PM
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Care to post a tournamnet replay of the last time a tiger ace was used? No even that it won, just used.

Since the doctrine is banned from any serious tournament play you might find that difficult.
1 Apr 2015, 16:33 PM
#38
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ostheer seems competitive with usf now. I am not a 1v1 player, but i think these mg42 changes and sniper changes will help greatly. The m42 has a lot more accuracy now at long range. This means more bullets will hit = more suppression. My units get suppressed on the first burst now (or as soon as i run into the arc).

Mg42 combined with sniper is quite deadly now. The sniper lives longer. Don't forget that the sniper has a nice vet ability that allows it to stun and kill multiple entities.
1 Apr 2015, 16:51 PM
#39
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The sniper has made Ost early game better, but now that the Jackson has a much higher chance to penetrate the Panther there really isn't any reason to go T4 anymore when facing USF.

Iv found the Elefant to be great for late game. Tiger just isn't up to snuff now that everyone is making Jacksons with a Soviet player mark targeting.

This means more bullets will hit = more suppression.


Suppression isn't based on accuracy
1 Apr 2015, 17:01 PM
#40
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Since the doctrine is banned from any serious tournament play you might find that difficult.


So romeo's torunament aren't serious? Yet it was never seen, try to straw harder man, it's all you do on these forums.
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