USF vs Ostheer still horrible MU
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Keep crying baby. USA USA USA
Well, USA, USA, USA was strong against ostheer before. Now it is against Okw too. I'll try to see if I'll climb in 1v1 ladder with USA. I think I will.
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The patch did nothing to fix the main issues with this MU, very disappointed.
It is too early to know if it is good or bad
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Axis blob still owns late game, as do Uber tanks. Allies have no counter.
Yea because Jackson isn't buffed. Let's face it, Ostheer is very weak against USF, specially early to mid game. Now that the OKW is reasonable and kinda in a good place-well, a better place than before- they have to focus on SU and Ostheer. Ostheer needs crowd control and SU needs the call-in meta fixed.
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I think Ostheer could use some ability to build cover in the pios or grens as well. If we don't want to scrap 75% of the 1v1 maps which are CQC maps, at least allow Ostheer the ability to better fortify areas that are somewhat suited to their ability to fight at range. Everyone else can build some sort of green cover(sandbags and tank traps) but Ostheer has a mp costing bunker unless you went something with trenches.
Also we still need teching adjustment to LT tech is made more expensive and captain tech is brought down to the same level. (65-70 fuel for either?)
And utilizing the pioneer sight buff is not that easy if you need to pull a unit off for capping/recapping and LOS blockers, though I do notice the MG 42s damage at range, even in green cover.
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I agree that Ostheer didnt get the tech changes, but im 100% sure that is something Relic is aware of them. They really cant miss it. The changes that were made to Ostheer are reasonable and well thought out. They help out the MG42, Pios, Scout car and the best change imo, the Sniper.
I dont understand how you guys all struggle vs USF but are fine vs proper Con spam into 85's or whatever. I dont have that of a hard time to deal with USF. The key is keeping Grens in groups of 2 and cover, supported by MG's into fast T2 with a scout car. Get a sniper if youre confident with it and the map allows for it. Sniper really hurts USF. Oh and flamer Pios help out greatly as well, because they can do anti garrison, short range and vision stuff.
Aaaaaaaand believe it or not, i actually enjoy going T3. Yea i know, unbelieveable.
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I dont understand how you guys all struggle vs USF but are fine vs proper Con spam into 85's or whatever. I dont have that of a hard time to deal with USF. The key is keeping Grens in groups of 2 and cover, supported by MG's into fast T2 with a scout car. Get a sniper if youre confident with it and the map allows for it. Sniper really hurts USF. Oh and flamer Pios help out greatly as well, because they can do anti garrison, short range and vision stuff.
Aaaaaaaand believe it or not, i actually enjoy going T3. Yea i know, unbelieveable.
You should play the ost a bit more then. The problem is the m20. And basically the ostheer do not get the counters in time. in fact in equal circumstances the m20 arrives before the 222 or pak. not to mention the usf has more squads then you because of the cheaper tech.
so fuckups are not tolerated make one mistake early game and it becomes borderline impossible to return.
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You should play the ost a bit more then. The problem is the m20. And basically the ostheer do not get the counters in time. in fact in equal circumstances the m20 arrives before the 222 or pak. not to mention the usf has more squads then you because of the cheaper tech.
so fuckups are not tolerated make one mistake early game and it becomes borderline impossible to return.
I do play Ost. Its in fact my favourite faction by now alongside, wait for it, USF.
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I dont understand how you guys all struggle vs USF but are fine vs proper Con spam into 85's or whatever. I dont have that of a hard time to deal with USF. The key is keeping Grens in groups of 2 and cover, supported by MG's into fast T2 with a scout car. Get a sniper if youre confident with it and the map allows for it. Sniper really hurts USF. Oh and flamer Pios help out greatly as well, because they can do anti garrison, short range and vision stuff.
You just said they have teching issues. Go play USF and see how easy it is IF you go Lt and dont drive into any teller (will prob not happen because of med or flame). As USF you simply just get another vital unit and outscale Ost so hard that, as an ostplayer, you need insane luck or simply ridiculous more skill.
This MU is fucked up. The buffs didnt change anything(still sniper get chased down from m20 before he even hit vet1, mg42 get smoked and surrounded, and jackson EAT panthers and tigers for breakfast now).
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