Command Panther

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 14:53 PMAlexzandvar

Saying it's to good for it's cost is the same way as asking for a cost increase, which would at least be better than making it only affect your own units.

Again; as others have pointed out in order to be consistent this would require FHQ to not affect allies, the CPIV to not affect allies, the ambulance to not affect allies, ect.

The factions have units in them that work well when paired with the other faction, this is by design and is not unintentional. The C-Panther is a large investment at 200 fuel which means that you won't be facing a Jadgtiger, regular Panther, or a King Tiger for a long time, it's appropriately CP timed and costs 25 more fuel than the regular Panther already.

And OKW call units are either A. Utility infantry or B. extreme late game tanks; the only faction in the game that can avoid teching to it's last tier is Soviets thanks to the way the faction is designed around call ins.



Try playing OKW with only T0 units and see how far you get. You need Mechanized HQ to deal with Soviets/USF early game, and you need Obers and P2/Sturmtiger to deal with blobs mid game. The Panther is necessary to bridge the gap to late game.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 14:59 PMImagelessbean

Right because the only way to balance an over performing unit is a cost increase.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 15:28 PMdaspoulos

Meh, sherman command tanks
Kv1 command tanks. Russian radios were shit most of the war if not the entire war. Especially in t34 tanks that didn't even use them, and when they did they were usually always full of static so the crews usually didnt use them.
Russia is the only faction I think that would be fine without them. U'S' and britain could use them though, but I don't think even america used em much.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 15:34 PMAlexzandvar

I actually got the idea from the Commissar that sticks his head out of the KV2 when it's not in combat.

But T34/85's had crew radios and the KV1 was used as front line command tanks by officers due to it's superior protection.

Personally adding an infantry officer to Soviets would be stupid, them having tank officers would be more interesting and unique even if it was only like the Elite Armored ones that increase sight and call in barrages.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 15:41 PMdaspoulos

As far as 1943-1945 the kv1s armor is nothing that spectacular. Like I said soviet radios were usually pretty bad. I mean they worked, but static really plagued them.

Not saying it can't be put in the game, but what would its bonuses be? I'd hate for it to become a clone of the panzer4 cmd tank.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 06:51 AMSteinerGER

Stumrpioniere: OP because massive DPS (only viable in early)
Volksgrenadiere: Op because Panzerschreck (still worst basic infantry weak weak early and if wiped in late game replacement is a more hitting blow)
Kubel: Op because so fast and not counterable.(and melts in the face if a 2+ rifles with bars)
Flak-HT: OP because suppresses (Assloader US HT anyone?)
Puma: OP because outranges everyone(I am sorry wat? If not babysitted all the time its dead in seconds.. About range lets have a talk about a 240dmg alpha jackson....)
Stuka: OP because creeping barrage(its expensive and literally a hit and miss unit)
Luchs: OP because rushed its so OP(1 AT gun shuts it down in the perimeter)
Obers: Op because sniping hmgs(a bit strong I agree - yet the only MP choice for OKW to get rid of maxim spam)
Panther: OP because its so fast(expensive)
King Tiger: OP because unkillable(retardly expensive and ask a wehr player without ferdi how he feels about IS2)

and now Command Panther? lol

So to sum this up players think only Puppchen, JpZ4 leig 18 and IR HT are fine.
basically these are 4 shit units (JPZ4 is good on paper but ingame its often lackluster and against 2 tanks its dead for a whopping 135f rarely viable)
I dont trust much in relic but whoa, I am glad they are in charge instead of the playerbase. smh

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 14:07 PMQueenRatchet123

keep laughing

med truck with shreks and JP counter ever usf vehicle

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 17:37 PMJaigen

On long range maps yes, but good luck dealing with the usf lmg spam without obers.
on CC maps you really are going to need a panther.

For the su you always need a panther because of 85's/is2's

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 15:34 PMAlexzandvar

I actually got the idea from the Commissar that sticks his head out of the KV2 when it's not in combat.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2015, 00:04 AMelchino7

I think people are missing the point on this thread.

It's not about how "good" CPV is or it's bonuses, rather about how much area buffs scales with bigger modes.

Basically what it has been ask since the release of the game, scale balance according to number of players involved.
Opel Blitz is an example of a change meant to hugely improve 2v2+ games. Bonus to allied units should be lessen the higher amount of players involved.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 12:59 PMshadowwada

panther command commander is meh. Besides the nades & panther call in, nothing really all that great.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 13:09 PMKatitof

And reckon that can not be shot down and is cheapest of all and IR StGs that ignore cover and invalidate shocks play.
4 out of 5 abilities are great in the doctrine.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 13:33 PMJohnnyB

Yes it's a great doctrine with very usefull abilities except for that more balanced IR STG carried by those more balanced Obers (remember?). That doesn't sound so attractive anymore.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 13:09 PMKatitof

And reckon that can not be shot down and is cheapest of all and IR StGs that ignore cover and invalidate shocks play.
4 out of 5 abilities are great in the doctrine.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 18:02 PMQueenRatchet123

U mistake nurfed for ballanced

so i fixed it for you

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2015, 18:26 PMJohnnyB

What ever dude.