WW2 Documents, Myths and Facts
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WW 2 myths busted:
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A fun read and as a cherry on top, it will ruin the world of our beloved fanboys of Krupp Steel
Have fun reading!
Now, thinking about it, this could become a nice thread akin to the one with WW2 pics, except here we could slap interesting documents and other stuff to read.
Mods, feel free to change title accordingly if it'll work!
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You should never really take anything without source attached as a unquestionable truth. Still, would be great if people were looking for interesting texts and slapping them here.
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So the allied tanks were matching all-in-all. Even the French. And Soviet optics were World class. And the German Aces figures are loads inflated.
But still the tank casualties for Allies compared to Germany were staggering. Due to sheer incompetence of allied crews then? How do the tank aces not have a great ratio when the ratio of allied tanks to German tanks were so uneven? Hah! "Maths" *sneer*. Maybe the ratios are not correct and Soviets had actually less tanks. Because Soviet did not have as much people as claimed, just big country geographics. They did have a big geographics didn't they? And very cold snow?
It's all so confusing.
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I'm never into these discussions as they don't really interest me, but with this new info (i read for a while, although not all of the summaries) in ligth, stuff becomes hard to explain.
So the allied tanks were matching all-in-all. Even the French. And Soviet optics were World class. And the German Aces figures are loads inflated.
But still the tank casualties for Allies compared to Germany were staggering. Due to sheer incompetence of allied crews then? How do the tank aces not have a great ratio when the ratio of allied tanks to German tanks were so uneven? Hah! "Maths" *sneer*. Maybe the ratios are not correct and Soviets had actually less tanks. Because Soviet did not have as much people as claimed, just big country geographics. They did have a big geographics didn't they? And very cold snow?
It's all so confusing.
I think your understanding of English is equally poor to your writing.
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I'm never into these discussions as they don't really interest me, but with this new info (i read for a while, although not all of the summaries) in ligth, stuff becomes hard to explain.
So the allied tanks were matching all-in-all. Even the French. And Soviet optics were World class. And the German Aces figures are loads inflated.
But still the tank casualties for Allies compared to Germany were staggering. Due to sheer incompetence of allied crews then? How do the tank aces not have a great ratio when the ratio of allied tanks to German tanks were so uneven? Hah! "Maths" *sneer*. Maybe the ratios are not correct and Soviets had actually less tanks. Because Soviet did not have as much people as claimed, just big country geographics. They did have a big geographics didn't they? And very cold snow?
It's all so confusing.
I would not say allied tanks were matching all-in-all, they're still mostly inferior in long range combat compared to German one, but that's situational.
And many of the Allied tanks losses came from anti tank gun, panzerschreck and panzerfaust etc etc, not by German armor, especially in later stage of the war when they're on the offensive, not defensive like the German.
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I think your understanding of English is equally poor to your writing.
Feel free to give me useful feedback on my writing. That way I will improve and you will be less annoyed in the future.
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http://tankarchives.blogspot.se/
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We suppose to believe all these just because someone wrote them lol.
Anyway OP is no better than Krupp steel fanboys because he is a Krupp steel hater.
P.S. Really liked that 300 meters stuff, I loled my ass of. Like in open ground shermans and T34s were able to approach at 300 meters of a Tiger tank all day long. Just like that "scary" happening with a Su-27 that flew over an american destroyer jaming its comunication starting from 150 yards distance. Double LOL.
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SS asked me to do this, and The_Chieftain (WGA’s historian) put in his corrections into the list, as well as various posters of the World of Tanks NA forums.
Okay
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipment_losses_in_World_War_II
HRMMMM in the entire war the US lost 20,000 tanks in ALL Theaters hmmmmmmmmm.Brits? The SAME! GASP! I detect a Myth about terrible US tanks...seeing as yknow they lost just as many as the Brits and thats 20K total not just Shermans I am sure they are a small percentage of those losses. Lets just not bring up how many the Soviets lost...
And Germans?
Around 40,000 tanks and SPGs destroyed or captured (~2,000 in North Africa, ~4,000 in Western Front and ~34,000 in Eastern Front)
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YOU LATE Katitof I shared that on the forum Months ago! But here is another youll like:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equipment_losses_in_World_War_II
HRMMMM in the entire war the US lost 20,000 tanks in ALL Theaters hmmmmmmmmm.Brits? The SAME! GASP! I detect a Myth about terrible US tanks...seeing as yknow they lost just as many as the Brits and thats 20K total not just Shermans I am sure they are a small percentage of those losses. Lets just not bring up how many the Soviets lost...
Where's the credit for the German air forces, anti tank gun crew, panzerscherck, panzerfaust and... mines?
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Where's the credit for the German air forces, anti tank gun crew, panzerscherck, panzerfaust and... mines?
In the source book. That costs over 200.00 US I am trying to get my hands on a copy for a reasonable price. Or find it in a library.
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@ OP: If you want the thread title changed to something else, please let one of the Mods know what title you prefer
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Germans were the best, that is why they won the war, right?
To be fair, they were one nation fighting everybody else on multiple fronts. I'm not hailing nazis.
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To be fair, they were one nation fighting everybody else on multiple fronts. I'm not hailing nazis.
Not about being Fair. If you don't want to have your buildings leveled, the cream of your youth killed, many of your women raped and possesions plundered, and your name ruined for a couple of generations, don't pick a fight with multiple powers, invade their lands, rape their women, plunder their riches, enslave their populace, etc. etc.
They had the advantage of surprise and good tactics (plus taking on only one opponent at a time) up until the end of '41. They were able to slog it out until the end of '42. But after that they lost about as fast as could be expected considering that no offensives ever covered more than 400-600km before needing a few months of reorganization and replenishment.
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