@Relic: Maps Maps Maps

Jump back to quoted post11 Mar 2015, 15:10 PMVonIvan

funny gif

Jump back to quoted post9 Mar 2015, 19:31 PMImagelessbean

If you are Axis Angermunde is great. If you are allies it is so boring it hurts. Path finding is horid, so no T1 scout cars. Choke points are numerous, fuel is hard to cut off, long concrete lines prevent moving from one side to the other, numerous buildings to call in elite inf from, and map is long and linear punishing infantry retreats.

It could not favor the Axis more unless allies only spawned on one side of a river and had to fight uphill to get into a city.

Jump back to quoted post15 Mar 2015, 12:26 PMAchtAchter

Not true, Angermünde punishes usf, since in late game your medium tanks block each other on the narrow paths. Other than that, it's very easy to cut off the fuel of the south spawn, so who ever spawns south has a harder time.

T2 soviets shine on that map, so it's not really pro axis or pro allies, it's just anti usf. However when going airborne is kinda hard to escape the P47d strike. I personally like that map, because a lot of red cover seperates good from bad players, if you can position your units good constantly and avoid red cover you will win against mindless blobbers on this map.

Also, from purely a "simulation" standpoint I always have a chuckle that people are so frustrated with unbalanced maps. In the real war, you got what you got. You met the enemy where you met the enemy. There was no complaining to upper brass about the terrain is too favorable to the enemy. If there was, the answer would be "suck it up and get the job done!" (Yes, I realize this is a game and isn't the same thing...just had to add the above anyways)

Jump back to quoted post15 Mar 2015, 17:58 PMBasilone

A long long time ago (like before Tiger Ace was a thing) Eagleheart came on vent with Whiteflash Sib Budwise and myself and asked us what map changes we thought were really important and he addressed our problems as best he could in the next patch. Matt was able to make the changes we wanted in like a week, so if there hasn't been any map tweaking lately, that leads me to believe Relic has him working on other things like maps for another expansion, more free maps for the next patch, or hell maybe even DoW3 maps for all I know.

Jump back to quoted post15 Mar 2015, 17:53 PMMortar

Having actually created a map, I can attest that just making the darn things is difficult...much less creating "balanced maps". At least IMHO...

Jump back to quoted post15 Mar 2015, 18:14 PMpigsoup

that is nice to hear. i hope this happens again later with the entire map pool.



I do not know about this. I think it is quiet easy. just make it so that map is not too closed or open, and symmetrical. not identically but to somewhat.

i.e. Hurtgen Forest... the northern side has to cross the river all the time while southern side never has to unless harassing. wtf.

Jump back to quoted post15 Mar 2015, 18:28 PMMortar

What I meant by difficult is learning to use the World Builder tool. I suspect if it wasn't difficult we would see 10x as many maps as we do. I was a complete novice when I built my first one. I enjoyed the process of learning and doing it, BUT it did take a fairly serious commitment of time and in reality I know it wouldn't stand a chance of passing QA in Relic's mind.

When you combine the difficulty of learning map making, the time commitment, and the fact that Relic refuses to commit QA resources to community maps...there really isn't much incentive to continue to make maps. At least from my perspective.

This is why I only made the one. I spent dozens of hours making this one map and I have YET to even see it played by other players much less ever hope to see it in automatch rotation.

Jump back to quoted post15 Mar 2015, 20:57 PMpigsoup

it does take time to make a map from the scratch. i know that. i think out of 4 maps i made, only one (remastered one) is remotely close to relic map quality in terms of details and cosmetics.

i am talking about just general layouts of the maps that just clearly favour one side.

Jump back to quoted post15 Mar 2015, 21:06 PMMortar

Yes I completely agree.

But even symmetrical maps made by talented mapmakers (i.e. Crossing in the woods by Onkle Sam) get trashed as unbalanced by many players. In other words, in many cases balance is in the eye of the beholder based upon faction/commander preference. Its not even a LTP issue. Its a learn to break out of your rut issue.

it does take time to make a map from the scratch. i know that. i think out of 4 maps i made, only one (remastered one) is remotely close to relic map quality in terms of details and cosmetics.

Jump back to quoted post15 Mar 2015, 21:06 PMMortar

But even symmetrical maps made by talented mapmakers (i.e. Crossing in the woods by Onkle Sam) get trashed as unbalanced by many players.

Jump back to quoted post15 Mar 2015, 23:18 PMturbotortoise

I'm convinced that every balance issue ever brought up, concentration of forces, defence, resources, heavy tanks call ins et all are all symptoms of horrendous map design which betrays the fundamental philosophy of the game and does no favours to the factions seemingly arbitrarily plopped down on these heaps and forced to grind up against each other. And my god do I agree with alexzandvar do they ever look horrid...