Not when you have to build Soviet tier 3 to get it.
...and it's basically only technically AA in practice.
Meant american one,sry if u misunderstood.
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Not when you have to build Soviet tier 3 to get it.
...and it's basically only technically AA in practice.
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Odtheer has elite infantry in storm troopers and vetted pgrens. They can't have the best everything.. Elite inf isn't Wehrmacht strength. its combined arms.
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Meant american one,sry if u misunderstood.
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You asked for issues that ost suffers that others don't.I gae u those issues.now trying to twist ur own words.Hopeless.Go scroll back and read ur own post.U screamed in caps ..and now backing out?
251 can't do shit vs enemy light vehicle or inf timely,which is what point i raised.In light vehicle arena ost totally outgunned.
Even vetted pzgrens are easy wiped and still lose to enemy para/shocks.Stromtroopers..lol.Ost can't have the best of everything..riddle me genius..WHAT DO WE HAVE THE BEST OF?
Good lategame as in 3rd best.
Not biased,justified.Go check tourney stats urself.I don't ask for alied nerfs,just deserved ost fixes.
Now answer the issues like u said..or run away.
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Oh well, then that's pretty different since the Wehr's can reinforce unlike that one.
But its flamethrower upgrade is definitely the most fucking garbage upgrade in the game.
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I'll ask u again,WHAT DO OST HAVE THE BEST OF?
katitof u can sub in for him and answer instead,since u have taken it upon urself to manage my tears.
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Oh well, then that's pretty different since the Wehr's can reinforce unlike that one.
But its flamethrower upgrade is definitely the most fucking garbage upgrade in the game.
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Wait till I can get to a computer and really roast you, the 251 is a good light vehicle for its purpose. I said the 222 needed love
i already said ost elite inf is lacking and it is on purpose.
Ost is lucky to have a late game. Usf is the one that doesn't.
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I'll ask u again,WHAT DO OST HAVE THE BEST OF?
katitof u can sub in for him and answer instead,since u have taken it upon urself to manage my tears.
Don't make redundant comments if u don't know what ur talking abt.
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-Air support.Doctrinal
-Supply boosting abilities.Doctrinal
-Best on field reinforcement and transport platform, arrives early, is affordable, prevents you from getting pushed off.
-Mortar precision strike on stock infantry.
-Doesn't rely on side upgrades, every single non support unit can be upgraded further for enhancing current or changing its role without side menpower and fuel costs and no need to pick specific doctrine, doctrinal choice being option, not mandatory.
-Best tiering design allowing for linear, flexible tiering with all units needed always being at your disposal, only transition to T4 is too expensive.
-Tigers rips apart both armor and infantry. Yes, it looses to IS-2, that is ONE allied unit it needs to actually fear, cry me a river here and be happy you don't face panzershrecks, elephants, jagdtigers and king tigers.Doctrinal
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So now ur agreeing to basically all i said one by one...suddenly so many ost units need buff.I'm so glad we could agree on something finally.
Now answer ur statement..what does ost have best of?Ur statement .
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It could be more constructive dicussing the faction in its core design without doctrinal units and abilities. Otherwise the discussion of this topic already derailed.
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It could be more constructive dicussing the faction in its core design without doctrinal units and abilities. Otherwise the discussion of this topic already derailed.
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I'll ask u again,WHAT DO OST HAVE THE BEST OF?
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Then Soviets are shit compare to every other army than huh?
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Best non doctrinal mortar in the game, best anti tank gun in the game, best all round heavy tank in the game (tiger I), very good well scaling infantry, and arguably the best MG in the game.
No matter what you will say, the mg-42 is way better than the 0.50 cal which is squishy as hell, the maxim which gets oneshotted by riflegrenades all the time, the mg-34 considering OKW MP bleed is probaly better than the mg-42, but statwise the mg-42 is superior.
Of course that's ignoring the obvious things like the best anti infantry tank in the game for its cost (STUG E), the best anti tank strafe and of course the CAS support commander.
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Best compare to who USF or Sov?
Whermacht:
1) Sniper mortar
2) Double Shreks
3) Ostwind (much better than HT in my opinion)
4) Panther
6) Command Tank (Buffs every single unit within vicinity)
7) Pak (No giant gun emplacement for Allies)
8) G43s on mainline infantry
9) Tiger (no heavy for USF)
10) Elephant (No heavy for USF)
This is excluding tech cost, you asked about what Wher has that it is really good.
AND please, spare me the Axis back foot losing game drama.
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INTERESTING. So you can spam 400 MP paras with a 120 muni upgrade, on a faction that munches on muni and manpower. That,is BS. And if you do that you sacrifice in a lot of other places. You can spam this and blob it right at a supported mg42 and do some serious damage if you snipe the gunner and catch the Ost player off guard. am not denying that. It's not the mg42, its blob firepower against the 42
You simply cannot deny that IF your opponent decides not to blob, the mg42 will then do its job. Blobs prevent it from doing its job. Not the stats of the mg.
I'm agreeing with him that blobs are lame ALL ACROSS THE BOARD. I've said that 150 times. It's equally annoying to deal with a giant horde of folks and UBERS, which is CHEAPER and more versatile than a USF BLOB, which is pure AI.
It's also annoying to deal with mg spam blocking every flank attempt and assault you try, as we've learned,
A solution is not making the mg42 OP against players that don't blob. which is what buffing the 42 directly will definitely do.
Odtheer has elite infantry in storm troopers and vetted pgrens. They can't have the best everything.. Elite inf isn't Wehrmacht strength. its combined arms.
Basic infantry is elite infantry. Portable precision strike mortar, default LMG upgrade, multiple ways of expanding their utility and weaponry via doctrines.
Believe it or not, axis are NOT supposed to have every single unit superior to allied counterpart.
Tigers and stukas one shot shocks, guards and paras as well. And these aren't exactly cheap units.
Ost is lucky to have a late game. Usf is the one that doesn't.
Best non doctrinal mortar in the game, best anti tank gun in the game, best all round heavy tank in the game (tiger I), very good well scaling infantry, and arguably the best MG in the game.
No matter what you will say, the mg-42 is way better than the 0.50 cal which is squishy as hell, the maxim which gets oneshotted by riflegrenades all the time, the mg-34 considering OKW MP bleed is probaly better than the mg-42, but statwise the mg-42 is superior.
Of course that's ignoring the obvious things like the best anti infantry tank in the game for its cost (STUG E), the best anti tank strafe and of course the CAS support commander.
-Air support, multiple varied AI AT and anti arty strikes, pick whatever you like, ost air support have it.
-Supply boosting abilities.
-Mortar precision strike on stock infantry.
-Doesn't rely on side upgrades, every single non support unit can be upgraded further for enhancing current or changing its role without side menpower and fuel costs and no need to pick specific doctrine, doctrinal choice being option, not mandatory.
-Best tiering design allowing for linear, flexible tiering with all units needed always being at your disposal, only transition to T4 is too expensive.
-Tigers rips apart both armor and infantry. Yes, it looses to IS-2, that is ONE allied unit it needs to actually fear, cry me a river here and be happy you don't face panzershrecks, elephants, jagdtigers and king tigers.
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Yes i'm wandering around reinforcing my units while american light vehicle is slaughtering my forces,as i desperately try to get pak into position.One shot he backs away..moves and begins his reign of terror on some other part of the field.Familiar sight..no?Oh well,we have reinforce..oh wait..american gets that straight away...oh and not just reinforce...but heal too.I guess i can buidl a bunker and spend some munis on it..i have lots of munitions right?My gren ubermensch don't need lmgs against rifles..feh.
Stormtroopers are not elite infantry, they are recon and utility infantry. Right now encirclement is widely regarded as one of the worst Ost docs due to the fact Stormtroopers are overpriced as all hell and incredibly fragile.No they ain't, they have the exact same reinforcement cost as Grens and I'm pretty sure they have a better received accuracy modifier.
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