Ostheer: What is to be done?

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2015, 19:37 PMAlexzandvar

It's a better crusher than the PIV because it has higher speed, acceleration and basic turn speed.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2015, 19:48 PMFaustCostBulletin

> Not getting tanks death sentence for OKW
> Vet 5 Shrekblobs
> Obers killing everything else

Remind me why people take you seriously again? Or do they?

Nope.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2015, 19:55 PMKatitof

Because 0.2 makes a huge difference.
And turn speed is exactly the same for both.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2015, 20:27 PMausterlitz

People talking about pz as if its hot stuff vs soviet.Lol.
The only thing it actually beats is t-34/76 and even thats not certain despite substantial price difference and mp teching disparity.

P4 IS USELESS vs is-2,completely useless..a piece of junk metal.A single shot won't penetrate.Also helpless vs t-34/85...basically no chance vs soviet lategame armor.So t-34/76 isn't the only one that scales badly.

Also soviet fanboys plz explain how pz 4 with teching costs 350 mp and 125 fuel.But t-34/85 no teching at 360 mp and 130 fuel each.Total bullshit,because it beats pz 4 effortlessly.Pz 4 is just vet fodder for allied medium call-ins - e8s and t-34/85s,jacksons,and soviet heavies.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2015, 19:57 PMAlexzandvar

Turning while moving, crushing ain't gunna work if your just spinning in place.

Always crush in an ark, tight turns at high speed.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2015, 21:23 PMNeo

Rank 3000 in 4v4 just gave you some advice, Katitof. That's what they called pwned

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2015, 20:43 PMBurts

Oh please. I have taken down many tigers with t-34/76s and zis-3. And i have taken down many IS-2s with just PIVS. Learn to micro, and use teller mines. They do help.


Not to mention the PIV is heaps better againts infantry than the t-34/76, you should be able to bleed him quite a bit by killing his infantry.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2015, 21:49 PM__deleted__

Eh, dude. Lets keep it at least a tad serious. If you lose an IS-2 to PIVs, (or a Tiger to 34/76s) you are doing something excessively wrong/mismicroed etc.. Just because every once in a blue moon with the help of a mine and the RNG gods you might actually kill a heavy with the vanilla mediums does not mean they represent a sound teching choice in either scenario. PIV with the assorted tech costs is a lousy choice against any Soviet call-in play, full stop. Other way around (meaning T34/76 vs Tiger), just the same.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2015, 20:42 PMFaustCostBulletin

Another good reason for it to replace 76 in T3. So when can I expect your supporting posts at my thread about making that change?

Oh please. I have taken down many tigers with t-34/76s and zis-3. And i have taken down many IS-2s with just PIVS. Learn to micro, and use teller mines. They do help.


Not to mention the PIV is heaps better againts infantry than the t-34/76, you should be able to bleed him quite a bit by killing his infantry.

Rank 3000 in 4v4 just gave you some advice, Katitof. That's what they called pwned

Yea, thats pretty normal here.
Remember Jaigen lecturing Cruzz on balance(and that wasn't a single incident)?
Or Joe Dove arguing L2P issues against Luvnest?
Its just another one to throw in the bucket.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2015, 22:00 PMKatitof

That is because heavies doesn't really have any disadvantage. They are plain upgrade over mediums, completely invalidating them the moment they show up.

Bigger cost, lower speed and turret traverse, increased CP cost allowing stock mediums bigger opportunity window and possibility to get some stars and punish stalling for heavy, exploitable vulnerability to something that isn't 70 range dedicated TD- heavies need at least one of these to have actual negative result on the calling player instead of spraying him with benefits.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2015, 22:08 PMAlexzandvar

Why are you so bloody against making the 76 better? Worried about realism or something?

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2015, 19:37 PMAlexzandvar

T34...
It's a better crusher than the PIV because it has higher speed, acceleration and basic turn speed. It's good at killing infantry because it has a good ROF, nice splash, and can take a hit or two before having to retreat. I'm not grasping at straws, it's a good generalist tank that just doesn't have late game viability.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2015, 23:20 PMelchino7

Just so we kill the myth of the T34 having a GOOD AI capability.
T34 MGs are way worst than PIV and had worst AI capabilities on its main gun. Saving grace is fighting 4models against OH but not so against OKW.

Tiger: 5.25
PIV: 5.75
KV1: 5.75
Wolverine: 5.85
OKW PIV: 6
M4A3: 6.05
KT: 6.25
T3485: 6.4
OH PV: 6.5
E8: 6.55
IS2: 6.65
T3476: 6.75
Jackson: 7.25
OKW PV: 7.5

Yep, good ROF.

Nevertheless, it's a GOOD OPTION IF you are ahead on the match or even, and your opponent is not gonna pull any medium. This lets you gain control of the map and have enough resources to pull your call ins by the time your opponent can do the same.

Jump back to quoted post27 Feb 2015, 23:57 PMAlexzandvar

The 76 has a worse ROF, but as far as killing infantry goes both guns are the same. I didn't take into account the hull MG's because getting them to hit what you want to accurately is a pain in the dick.

Jump back to quoted post28 Feb 2015, 00:18 AMKatitof

No, they are not, P4s gun is much more accurate and faster, you have that in the stats and you still try to argue it, hilarious.