Assault Engineers UP

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2015, 18:09 PMRMMLz

You are missing the point guys. OK let's call them "4 dudez with grease guns" if the name is an issue for you. These "dudez with grease guns" have good utility (repair, demo charge, worthless mines, build cache) and can be upgraded with Flamers. They do good DPS (48 at point blank).

So, these "dudez with grease guns" are good for flanking enemy's MGs, specially in urban maps (Ettlebruck, stalingrad, and semosiky to some degree). They have good synergy with rifles (Smoke and send them in) and you can use them late game for repairs without abandoning your tank.

When I said they are not Shock units, I was not comparing them to Soviet Shock troops. I meant that they are not designed to frontally assault the enemy. They are doctrinal units which perform well. Every time I play USF in ettlebruck (2v2) I call them in and they perform very well, specially their demo charge.

Do not argue about their name, units are performing based on their role, price, weapon etc. You do not balance a unit because its name dictates it to do something else.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2015, 17:36 PMExardus

Well if they do not have, there will be a lot of rage on Internet. I think they need all of that.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2015, 18:22 PMBob Loblaw

"units are performing based on their role, price, weapon etc."

Apparently not. I thought an smg was supposed to beat an assault rifle at point blank range. Although I have been informed that sturmpios assault rifles have ascended to god tier and are now supposed to have great close range damage. This is my fault since I have been playing casually for a long time and I thought the game was still balanced around rock paper scissors (smgs, assault rifles, rifles, and then lmgs just wreck everything).

Unit role is assault engineers, by name and loadout and they suck at it. 280 mp is too much.

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2015, 15:21 PMMittens

I feel like they were over nerfed as two of them can't kill strum pioz while standing still both in gray cover. Often times they don't lasts long enough to get to vet 2 and their flame thrower explodes quite often.

This on top of a sub par doctrine makes this unit rly lack luster

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2015, 20:52 PMWingZero

I dont know about a 5th man guys, USF already struggle with Man Power drain. I just think they need to be cheaper to 240 MP.

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2015, 20:56 PMbraciszek

Just lay demo's everywhere and wipe infantry like a normal person.

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2015, 20:56 PMbraciszek

Stop expecting a cheaper squad to WTFPAWN a more expensive squad...

Just lay demo's everywhere and wipe infantry like a normal person. Its certainly worth the price.

Jump back to quoted post9 Feb 2015, 17:54 PMBob Loblaw

"Assengies complement the much stronger rifles."

That is the problem, for 280 mp assengies suck compared to other things.

Unless you meant something else. From what I can gather your logic is that assengies shouldn't be buffed since USF has too many strong other units. Well that logic is what leaves USF with the boring rifle spam builds you see now.

Like the 280 mp USF mg. somehow that is fair since rifles are strong. But I'll leave that complaining for another post. (but for real USF mp costs are too high).

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2015, 20:52 PMWingZero

I dont know about a 5th man guys, USF already struggle with Man Power drain. I just think they need to be cheaper to 240 MP.

Jump back to quoted post11 Feb 2015, 00:10 AMMr. Someguy

Well you'd have to reduce the DPS to make it fair for the reduced cost then. Reduce DPS to 41.52 (10.38 per man) from 48.03 (12.01 per man). For comparison, Assault Grenadiers are 42.45 (8.49 per man). That's 60 manpower per man vs 56 manpower per man.

Jump back to quoted post11 Feb 2015, 00:17 AMWingZero

Didnt they nerf the DPS of the Assault Engineers on the first post WFA patch?