Remove Shreck from Volks

Jump back to quoted post20 Feb 2015, 09:30 AMNuclear Arbitor

after 480 posts, what is the point of the thread?

Jump back to quoted post20 Feb 2015, 08:53 AMPorygon

Throw in the ban hammer, please.
This kiddo is even worse than Quentin, trash talk 24/7 and dunno what is respect.



This one I agree, but it is very off topic from this thread.

Jump back to quoted post20 Feb 2015, 10:18 AMMarcoRossolini

I'm sure when we see something to respect, we'll respect it.

As for the rest of the thread, I don't know how you balance volks without throwing the whole of OKW out of alignment. Giving shreks to sturms just makes a dangerous early game unit into an equally dangerous late game unit and make Volks pretty meaningless.

On the other hand, Volks as they are are simply ridiculous.
I don't understand those saying that volks are bad everywhere however. They're extremely good at long range combat. They beat cons long range easily and against rifles I see them doing more damage to them as well.

I think however it would be better for the game if the OKW blob were nerfed into the ground rather than if it were left as it is. OKW as a faction currently, especially in team games, is simply imbalanced no matter how much you play with the stats.
The core is rotten.

Jump back to quoted post20 Feb 2015, 08:28 AMJorad

Sorry forgot that Pak43 was also present there buy mecha company possess a powerful offmap.

Jump back to quoted post20 Feb 2015, 10:49 AMPorygon

Possibly you would see 3 Volks from 3 players joining a blob in large team game, making them stupidly strong, then more, more and more. Yeah I saw 4v4 there are at least 25 Volks crawling around, this is disgusting.

Jump back to quoted post20 Feb 2015, 11:26 AMMarcoRossolini

Player colours makes it easy to tell whose volks are whose.

Jump back to quoted post20 Feb 2015, 11:53 AMPorygon

Of course I know, but does that matters?

Jump back to quoted post20 Feb 2015, 10:51 AMJaigen

Bingo some doctrines counter other doctrines. Most noobie usf player use rifle and airborne company extensively not looking at the strenghts of other " lesser " companies. But these 2 doctrines have no good way of removing fortified positions making the okw fortification doctrine a real problem.

Similarly when i see counterattack doctrine i will not touch fortification doctrine with a 10 feet pole i take scavenger doctrine for the arty

Jump back to quoted post20 Feb 2015, 10:51 AMJaigen

Bingo some doctrines counter other doctrines. Most noobie usf player use rifle and airborne company extensively not looking at the strenghts of other " lesser " companies. But these 2 doctrines have no good way of removing fortified positions making the okw fortification doctrine a real problem.

Similarly when i see counterattack doctrine i will not touch fortification doctrine with a 10 feet pole i take scavenger doctrine for the arty

Jump back to quoted post20 Feb 2015, 08:28 AMJorad

Sorry forgot that Pak43 was also present there buy mecha company possess a powerful offmap.

Jump back to quoted post20 Feb 2015, 12:50 PMElSlayer

Does it deal enough damage to actually DESTROY Pak-43?

Jump back to quoted post20 Feb 2015, 12:50 PMElSlayer

Does it deal enough damage to actually DESTROY Pak-43?

Jump back to quoted post20 Feb 2015, 01:17 AMZombiFrancis

Actually, one of the most powerful thing that volksgrenadiers get are their passive healing at vet 3. The ability to keep a squad on the field without 3 of them being a cool breeze away from dying and NOT having to retreat to base is an incredible boon.

The 40% sight range and two 30% accuracy boosts aren't too shabby either. Being able to shoot at maximum weapon range and have a good chance to hit is a quality shared by very few, if any, units in the game.

Jump back to quoted post20 Feb 2015, 07:41 AMFlamee

QueenRatchet123, I've almost had enough of your trash.

Jump back to quoted post20 Feb 2015, 12:48 PMAustralian Magic

But Pak43 is not a problem. Problem is non-doc KT.
Imagine doctrine with Tiger/Tiger Ace and Pak43. OP, right?
IS2+B4?
ISU+ML20?
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OKW is so boring to play... All you need is to make 3 types of units, 4 very rare. Volks, Obers, Panther/King Tiger. In fact you need nothing more.
You dont need AT gun, indircet fire, light vehicles, MGs... Yes, you can take them, but in fact you don't need them. Just combine Volks, Obers and Panther into 1 blob and crush everything on your way.

Jump back to quoted post20 Feb 2015, 16:53 PMAlexzandvar

This could be said for literally every faction in the game dude. The reason you never see many types of units from any faction is a little thing called "The meta". Unless you give OKW more viable options you are not going to see more.

People want OKW to have things like indirect fire, more selection in vehicles like actual medium tanks and what not so they have more options to play around with. Soviets are one of the most fun factions atm due to how many units and indirect units there are to play around with. Ostheer would be the same way if it wasn't trapped behind horribly expensive techining.

I think OKW is a shitload of fun personally, but that's only because I do odd and crazy things like use Sturmkittens.

Jump back to quoted post20 Feb 2015, 17:09 PMAustralian Magic

About every faction?
SU: Cons, Shocks, Guards, Penals, Sniper, Maxim, ZiS, T70, T34, SU85, Katy, IS2, 120mm.
OST: Grens, PzGrens, MG, Mortar, Pak40, PzIV, Tiger, 222, 221.
USF: Rifles, Lt+M20/AA or Cpt+57mm+Stuart, Shermans, Jacksons, M8, Paras.

We see those units all the time. One time it will be Sherman spam, other it will by Jackson+M8.

OKW:
Volks, Obers, Luchs, Panther, King Tiger. Most seen OKW units. All 251, leig, Panzerfusi, Falsch, Jaeger, Puma, Strumtiger, raketen. You dont see this units often.

Yes, sometime, someone will try to go for Falsch+Jadgpanzer but then he will realise than Obers+Panther are just better.
It's just shitty design of the faction.

SU or USF you must decide if you want little support (T1, Lt) or heavy one. This must be combined with your doctrine, like snipers+guards.
OKW can give a garden about that. No matter what will enemy do, Volks+Obers+Panther can stand against everything.