Remove Shreck from Volks

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2015, 22:56 PMKatitof

I'm quite sure that specifically with this in mind there is this little thing they can build from T0.



Also, they get 50% rec acc modifier and 2x 30% acc modifier with vet, they will obliterate any other infantry in slugfest with time while still being cheapest to maintain themselves.

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2015, 23:15 PMKatitof

Please, name me all these 1v1 and 2v2 maps(we're talking competitive games, right?) where you can always be in cover and approach a 50 sight range extremely mobile unit that will have infantry screen before it with your infantry without sprint that needs vet to use AT nade.

Something tells me your number of allied games equals to the one of lolcake+sierra+jaigen put together.

Jump back to quoted post11 Feb 2015, 04:31 AMRuinan Ding

i think the problem is rather how early the shreks can be obtained to counter light armor. the 3x shrek bulletins are differently game changing.
to be honest, what if increase the shrek price to 180 muni but gives 2 panzergren shreks? (panzergren shreks are less accurate than volksshreks)
with this price change, this could differently increase soviet scout car effectiveness against okw t2

Jump back to quoted post10 Feb 2015, 22:32 PMAlexzandvar

How in anyway does it make sense for Volks to throw out their Kar98's to pick up Kar98's? And why limit the upgrade to only 1 volk squad per game?

Just give them the animations for reloading and firing an StG44 and give them 3 for 90 munitions, also: they don't surpass conscripts until vet 3, and were talking vet 0 cons btw. It takes until vet 4 for them to surpass cons in totality, which is pretty insane considering they only cost 5 manpower less.

Jump back to quoted post11 Feb 2015, 08:20 AMG4bb4_G4nd4lf

You seem to forget that Volks have totally different support than Cons. Volks might be a bit disadvantaged at vet 0 (without upgrade) but you still have Sturms, Kubels as support.

Jump back to quoted post2 Feb 2015, 11:08 AMpugzii

I don't care about OKW/Ostheer heavies, I enjoy fighting them with Shermans/Jacksons/SU-85's and it feels fine, in 2v2 I have alot of fun using dedicated TD's to fight KT/Tiger/panther etc. The issue is when the vet5 volks blob with the most powerful heat seaking missile launcher in the game comes along and wipes mediums in one volley, honestly ruins games completely - this has become the meta.

For example, non-doctrine US Main deterrent to Heavy armour is a Jackson and SU is SU-85 which does no damage to infantry.. if I invest popcap/resources into Jacksons, I lose a significant amount of my anti infantry power, and I then don't have the capabilities to stop the 30 popcap 7 squad volks horde from just running through everything killing at will.

If a smaller, more fragile unit (Say sturmpio's) had the Shreck, it would be far more balanced. Ostheer have a similar unit (Panzergrens) which you have to decide whether you want a dedicated AT unit or AI unit.. not both. This change would obviously mean the Raketenwerfer 43 could receive large buffs too.

Jump back to quoted post11 Feb 2015, 15:02 PMausterlitz

Turn volksgrenadiers into poor man's grenadiers and sturmpios into poor man's panzergrenadiers...not sure right way to go.Change is needed but above is useless.

Jump back to quoted post11 Feb 2015, 15:46 PM__deleted__

Since all I've done so far is bitch about the problem, this is roughly how I would address it.
1. Remove Schrecks from Volks.
2. Add P.Faust to Volks, available straight off the bat without rech requirement at 30 munis. This alleviates OKWs extreme earlygame vulnerability to clown cars.
3. Significantly buff Püppchen, decrease aim time, give green cover to crew, add 5 range. This would bring it more in line with conventional AT guns and would hopefully make up for the overall lost AT capability, asymetry be damned.
4. Tune down Volks vet requirements somewhat, allow purchase of x3 StGW 44s for 90 munis once one truck has been deployed. This should allow Volks some utility and lategame viability, while still leaving the heavy AI to Obers/call-in Inf.

Jump back to quoted post11 Feb 2015, 15:53 PMJohnnyB

No, not STGs. Mp40s for each member. This is my only comment to what you wrote. What you described is one of the viable solutions to this eternal problem, not being the only one though.