Ideas for PE/Brits rework

Jump back to quoted post20 Jan 2015, 11:47 AMDarc Reaver

You can't fix pe without redesigning it. That's the Problem. You can't just remove the OP/broken abilities (like treadbreaker) from PE without something to compensate. Because then you leave the faction even more broken.

That's the Problem with PE. If you abuse their shit right you have an extremely strong faction, but if you try to play them different they're too weak.

It's impossible to Balance this faction with all the bullshit stuff in there. And it's even worse for Brits.

Jump back to quoted post26 Jan 2015, 23:35 PM12ocky

How about putting the PG upgrades into the HQ?

You could add a "T1orT2" requirement to them, but ultimately it opens up choices instead of limiting them by putting them into channeled tech paths.

Jump back to quoted post27 Jan 2015, 17:11 PMMortality

Leave PE as is. (the goliath is too strong i ithink u need have a chance that u can detect him and not see him only when u are down )

Brits:
1. limit tommy squads to 3 on field
2. no medics for brits, just healing (for 1v1 balance tommy squad effectiveness could be increased though)
3. fix stags
4. move option to build Vickers MG nest from tommy to sappers with upgraded repairing kit
5. Only upgraded to repair kit sappers can build Bofors 40mm and 17 pounder AT gun
6. merge sappers minesweeper abbilities upgrade with adv repair kit (5,6 would incresse possibility for player to not build a blob with piats but tech instead)
7. increase effectiveness of Cromwell vs mid/heavy armor (counting in the points mentioned before)


[rough sketch - do not take very serious]

Jump back to quoted post28 Jan 2015, 22:43 PMnekron

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. Erase pls.

Jump back to quoted post28 Jan 2015, 22:43 PMnekron

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maybe limit for sappers or fix the sapper piat that he is not better againts inf then all other

give the brit seperat medic bunker

i think limit for t1 ubits are not good cause of 1v1 tactiks or other tactiks
a wehrmacht player can spam his t1 the same with pe and he can win the game with it...

Jump back to quoted post29 Jan 2015, 09:23 AMDarc Reaver

I agree with Nekron here. Limiting Units isn't the way to go.

If those changes would be done brits would become even more broken than now.. Those limitations don't fix anything for brits apart from limiting them even more

Jump back to quoted post31 Jan 2015, 10:44 AMCarlos Danger

So I got my mod to a point where I feel it's ready for a release. Lots of changes and still something of a work-in-progress, but very playable. I got the Flakpanzer 38(t) and Panzerwerfer working, so they're in the release.

You can download it here:

http://www.gamefront.com/files/24770566/Redesigned+Panzer+Elite+Mod.zip

Jump back to quoted post31 Jan 2015, 12:33 PMDarc Reaver

You should finish it before releasing it to public. Gj on the effort, but it really feels lackluster when playing.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jan 2015, 19:48 PMCarlos Danger

How so? Lack of content?

Jump back to quoted post1 Feb 2015, 20:08 PMDarc Reaver

No, not lack of content. The problem is that you don't fix key issues with PE in your version, it's merely cosmetic changes that don't help the factions core problems by itself while adding non-predictable changes for PE's performance in teamgames. Also, the larger squad sizes force enemies even more to play snipers against PE because they can't deal with 4men gren squads earlygame.

I'd like to go into detail more but it's just too much stuff to write on.

However, this is my opinion, maybe others like the changes you've done. But I personally think they don't help much.

Jump back to quoted post1 Feb 2015, 20:08 PMDarc Reaver

The problem is that you don't fix key issues with PE in your version, it's merely cosmetic changes that don't help the factions core problems by itself while adding non-predictable changes for PE's performance in teamgames.

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I'd like to go into detail more but it's just too much stuff to write on.

Jump back to quoted post1 Feb 2015, 21:59 PMCarlos Danger

You're going to have to tell me what the core issues are then. I thought I dealt with most of them.

I don't think the four-man Panzer Grenadier squads are overpowered to be honest. In combat, they're the same as Wehr Grenadiers right now, but are more expensive, have weaker guns, cost more to reinforce, and can't throw grenades without an upgrade. Pretty sure that Riflespam > PGren spam, which is how I wanted it to be.

Not saying I'm right and you're wrong, but I need more details.

Jump back to quoted post2 Feb 2015, 10:26 AMFanatic

So maybe a list of the core issues would be a first step then.

PE has several flaws, which are:

1) paper armour on vehicles, which result in most units having a very tight window in which they can be useful. Afterwards they're a waste of resource to build
2) blobbing bonuses
3) weakness to early tanks/light vehicles
4) Pantherspam in teamgames/getting heavy tanks without limit for manpower only
5) No real anti-blob weapons apart from sector arty/Hummel (so limited to 1 doc)
6) broken vet system (defensive vet always better than offensive vet, especially for vehicles) Shared vet isn't as bad as people make it out to be though
7) Ketten OP with hidden detection, fast movement and sdkfz22x armourtype.

ofc Pe also has strengths:
1) very early vehicles that can have a huge influence on the battlefield
2) many specialization options for infantry and vehicles
3) very fast teching
4) strong doctrinal units that can fill up holes in the own teching
5) start off with their mainline infantry