Vet Volks + shreks = broken AI/AT blob
Can it be solved with removing shreks from volks and givin em a faust?
Should shreks be removed from volks? Poll
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16 Jan 2015, 22:12 PM
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16 Jan 2015, 22:14 PM
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The bias in these poll options pains me.
Neither are good options, something else must be done to fix this.
Neither are good options, something else must be done to fix this.
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16 Jan 2015, 22:19 PM
#3
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Shrecks should definitely be removed from volks. Volks should then get Pzfausts + AI upgrade as replacement.
Sturmpios get a double shreck upgrade for 120MU.
Volks/Ober blobs gone. Problem solved.
Sturmpios get a double shreck upgrade for 120MU.
Volks/Ober blobs gone. Problem solved.
16 Jan 2015, 22:40 PM
#4
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Shrecks should definitely be removed from volks. Volks should then get Pzfausts + AI upgrade as replacement.
Sturmpios get a double shreck upgrade for 120MU.
Volks/Ober blobs gone. Problem solved.
Only in our dreams. Sturmpios once were the squad with the panzerschreck, if you pick up a schreck with a sturmpio squad there are audio files for that.
I don't know why relic changed that, it seems so much better.
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16 Jan 2015, 22:44 PM
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Only in our dreams. Sturmpios once were the squad with the panzerschreck, if you pick up a schreck with a sturmpio squad there are audio files for that.
I don't know why relic changed that, it seems so much better.
Because then they would be nearly the same as Ostheer.
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16 Jan 2015, 22:47 PM
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I refuse to vote. This poll has terrible options.
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16 Jan 2015, 22:51 PM
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Because then they would be nearly the same as Ostheer.
Why? One thing would be similar to Ostheer: Double shrecks on a close-mid range inf squad.
Everything else would be different, or not?
16 Jan 2015, 22:54 PM
#8
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This poll has shit options, but I'll bite. However I think the Volks Faust should be cheaper than Ostheer's, but will not cause Engine Damage, only 120 damage. It'd instead serve as a deterrent or a finisher, but not a snare.
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16 Jan 2015, 22:55 PM
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Because then they would be nearly the same as Ostheer.
one schreck one sturmpios would be enough. This way you couldn't spam it(unless you can allow high mp bleed) and you need combined arms with mines and raketenwerfer - that fits the spirit of coh.
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16 Jan 2015, 23:05 PM
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Giving the panzerfaust to volks would make them very similar to grens, and giving double schrecks to sturmpios would make them very similar to panzergrens.
I would like to see something like with the panzer elite in vcoh, you give the volks squad a at package and they become dedicated AT and terrible at AI. Maybe they could do something like giving them the schreck would reduce the squad size to 3 or 4 men. This would encourage players to not upgrade schrecks on all of their units.
I would like to see something like with the panzer elite in vcoh, you give the volks squad a at package and they become dedicated AT and terrible at AI. Maybe they could do something like giving them the schreck would reduce the squad size to 3 or 4 men. This would encourage players to not upgrade schrecks on all of their units.
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16 Jan 2015, 23:17 PM
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I would like to see something like with the panzer elite in vcoh, you give the volks squad a at package and they become dedicated AT and terrible at AI.
A massive blob of Infantry AT and Infantry AI weapons rolling around decimating everything and only getting stronger each time it comes back. I think they're enough like Panzer Elite as it is...
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16 Jan 2015, 23:44 PM
#12
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The poll is awful. Do you really want to know what people think or do you just want the answer you want to hear?
Voted no.
I do not believe these are the only option. IMHO, the game needs fine tuning, not thrown into chaos.
Voted no.
I do not believe these are the only option. IMHO, the game needs fine tuning, not thrown into chaos.
16 Jan 2015, 23:52 PM
#13
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Giving the panzerfaust to volks would make them very similar to grens, and giving double schrecks to sturmpios would make them very similar to panzergrens.
I would like to see something like with the panzer elite in vcoh, you give the volks squad a at package and they become dedicated AT and terrible at AI. Maybe they could do something like giving them the schreck would reduce the squad size to 3 or 4 men. This would encourage players to not upgrade schrecks on all of their units.
Volks shouldn't have any AT options apart from Pzfausts. Giving AT weapons to such a cheap/spammable infantry squad is just a bad idea - especially with Obers in the same army.
Obers + Volks = Anti everything. That's the real problem. That's why shrecks have to be given to a more expensive/smaller squad...Sturmpios. Reducing squad size when equipped with shrecks won't change much except that you see more frustrating squad wipes.
Some similarities are necessary. Designing factions entirely different simply becomes too hard to balance.
Sturms would be similar to PzGrens in terms of AT. I have no problem with that.
Volks would be kinda similar to Grens just like Cons are kinda similar to Rifles. Again, I don't really see that as a problem.
17 Jan 2015, 00:00 AM
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Lol dis guy always the same
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17 Jan 2015, 00:08 AM
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Only two possibilities to vote for? Cmon pussyking, you can do that better.
17 Jan 2015, 00:27 AM
#16
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I refuse to vote. This poll has terrible options.
I tought you as american were used to having only two options to vote for
17 Jan 2015, 00:31 AM
#17
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This poll has shit options, but I'll bite. However I think the Volks Faust should be cheaper than Ostheer's, but will not cause Engine Damage, only 120 damage. It'd instead serve as a deterrent or a finisher, but not a snare.
Why not?
Fire a faust then finish it off with raketwerfer
Seems like a good synergy there
Actually faust is more than enough for USF paper armor
17 Jan 2015, 00:34 AM
#18
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Shrecks should definitely be removed from volks. Volks should then get Pzfausts + AI upgrade as replacement.
Sturmpios get a double shreck upgrade for 120MU.
Volks/Ober blobs gone. Problem solved.
Yeah and then you're forced to build another 320 mp squad to get a mine sweeper because you now have 4 useless and yet very expensive dudes unable to do their job. Salvage/build <insert random stuff>, look away for a split second, squad gets one shotted, you just lost 320mp/120MU and gave your opponent 2 Schreks. Oh and you still can't detect mines.
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17 Jan 2015, 00:42 AM
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I vote for locking this 'poll' on the grounds that it isn't really a poll.
Hint: Poll usually contains reasonable options as answers
Hint: Poll usually contains reasonable options as answers
17 Jan 2015, 09:08 AM
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Faust for volks and double shreck for STPs
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