I think the is2 is now over preforming because it is impossible to kill without panthers or tigers as its near impossible to damage the engine because of the changes to at nades, while before the is2 would easily get bogged down it it goes on the offensive. In this game a single is2 got 98 kills and single handedly won the soviets the game despite that they had been pushed onto 10 points and as a team we had 3 at guns 2p4a puma and a command panhter. This could just be very bad rng but as they were pushed of 3/4 of the map the entire time untill this time came out i think not
Example: http://www.coh2.org/replay/28144/is2-op-now
EDIT: Articulated thoughts better
IS2 since rework to at nade pen is now op
12 Dec 2014, 16:16 PM
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12 Dec 2014, 16:29 PM
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Congratulations, now you know how soviets feel against vet2 P4s, panthers and tigers.
Now that you've got a lesson which says "faust heavy armor from behind and get proper AT" you can go and be a better player.
Unless you believe feeding grenadiers to IS-2 is a valid strat that is.
Now that you've got a lesson which says "faust heavy armor from behind and get proper AT" you can go and be a better player.
Unless you believe feeding grenadiers to IS-2 is a valid strat that is.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
12 Dec 2014, 16:31 PM
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Congratulations, now you know how soviets feel against vet2 P4s, panthers and tigers.
Now that you've got a lesson which says "faust heavy armor from behind and get proper AT" you can go and be a better player.
Unless you believe feeding grenadiers to IS-2 is a valid strat that is.
Well as i play as USF the most i think i know heavy armor and feeding grens when ur rushing the vp cause they have 10 left and ur going in for all or nothing isnt a bad choice
12 Dec 2014, 16:32 PM
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I am just saying that it seems to be to hardy i mean it can tank a panther from the front while having a pak and p4 shooting its back
12 Dec 2014, 16:38 PM
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Now that is what we call exaggeration here.
A fine, dictionary example of it.
IS-2 is meant to be damage sponge from the front, it certainly doesn't have the firepower or mobility of tiger or panther. Its hard to take down, but its easier for panther to penetrate it then it is for jackson to penetrate panther.
A fine, dictionary example of it.
IS-2 is meant to be damage sponge from the front, it certainly doesn't have the firepower or mobility of tiger or panther. Its hard to take down, but its easier for panther to penetrate it then it is for jackson to penetrate panther.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
12 Dec 2014, 16:48 PM
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I somehow understand the OP in terms of defence. The IS-2 feels like a weaker tiger to me in terms of damage but the armor is brutal. It feels like only 25% of all shots won't bounce.
It is though God by command has withdrawn every other throne.
And God is saying 'No. These people will deal with me alone.'
And God is saying 'No. These people will deal with me alone.'
12 Dec 2014, 16:55 PM
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I somehow understand the OP in terms of defence. The IS-2 feels like a weaker tiger to me in terms of damage but the armor is brutal. It feels like only 25% of all shots won't bounce.
I wouldn't say its OP as in OMFG relic u are awful this is game breaking, i think it slightly over preforms as the at nade changes which i think were great makes it impossible most of the time to catch an is2 which before if it over extended it would become trapped. However i do think it was also my fault for sticking with p4s as i should have gone panthers. ATM IMO it just a little to tanky to be able to damage the engine as it makes medium armor kinda usless vs it
12 Dec 2014, 17:00 PM
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I wouldn't say its OP as in OMFG relic u are awful this is game breaking, i think it slightly over preforms as the at nade changes which i think were great makes it impossible most of the time to catch an is2 which before if it over extended it would become trapped. However i do think it was also my fault for sticking with p4s as i should have gone panthers. ATM IMO it just a little to tanky to be able to damage the engine as it makes medium armor kinda usless vs it
Honestly, IS2s rapes panther, for some reason they are really easy to fight off. You shouldve build stugs, as you will have advantage in range and reload time. Keep the stugs backed away, keep kiting the IS2 and you shall obtain victory!
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12 Dec 2014, 17:07 PM
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I somehow understand the OP in terms of defence. The IS-2 feels like a weaker tiger to me in terms of damage but the armor is brutal. It feels like only 25% of all shots won't bounce.
IS2 armor is 375/205, better than Tiger's 300/180(by 25%/14%), in exchange Tiger gets 28% higher ROF(5 vs 6.4 avg reload). Quite a fair tradeoff given Axis AT weapon generally have higher penetration values than their counterparts.
Panther pen 260/240/220 or 69/64/59% chance of front pen
Pak 40 pen 210/200/190 or 56/53/51% chance of front pen
Shrek pen 180/170/160 or 48/45/43% chance of front pen
P4 pen 120/110/100 or 32/29/27% chance of front pen
You have to be shooting IS 2 from the front with a P4 all day to feel like only 25% of shots won't bounce.
12 Dec 2014, 17:13 PM
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Congratulations, now you know how soviets feel against vet2 P4s, panthers and tigers.
Now that you've got a lesson which says "faust heavy armor from behind and get proper AT" you can go and be a better player.
Unless you believe feeding grenadiers to IS-2 is a valid strat that is.
^
or in other words
"l2flank" (C) axis fanboys
No offence.
12 Dec 2014, 17:17 PM
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As Whermaht player IS2 is in good spot. Powerful heavy tank. If you pic up wrong doctrine and cant buld Panther Is2 gona blid you up. Problem that it comes with Incendiary barrage and shocks so you cant swarm it with PAKs well and PAKs are weak now.
12 Dec 2014, 17:18 PM
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Posts: 198
[...]in exchange Tiger gets 28% higher ROF(5 vs 6.4 avg reload).[...]
Technically, 26,(6)%, because reload isn't the only thing that matters with RoF.
IS-2 also has better penetration than the Tiger - from 13,6% up close to 5,(5)% further away.
12 Dec 2014, 17:46 PM
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^
or in other words
"l2flank" (C) axis fanboys
No offence.
I did! If you watch the replay i flanked allot and thats why for 25 min we dominated as the players were blobers but it was my unit compassion that killed it i think as i didnt have enough tanky at units
12 Dec 2014, 17:55 PM
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Is-2 also has worse accuracy.
12 Dec 2014, 18:40 PM
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Congratulations, now you know how soviets feel against vet2 P4s, panthers and tigers.
Now that you've got a lesson which says "faust heavy armor from behind and get proper AT" you can go and be a better player.
Unless you believe feeding grenadiers to IS-2 is a valid strat that is.
This all day.
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Sometimes NKVD Commander.
12 Dec 2014, 18:45 PM
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I just wanted to say Thanks to the people that gave a well thought out respectful responce
12 Dec 2014, 19:22 PM
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I think the is2 is now over preforming because it is impossible to kill without panthers or tigers....
I think Tiger, Panther and King Tiger are over performing because it's impossible to kill them without IS or ISU.
Sorry, but what do you expect? Kill IS with Pz4?
Keep in mind that IS turret is very slow so in fact you can kill it with Pz4.
On the other hand it's unlikely to kill Tiger with t34/76.
12 Dec 2014, 19:44 PM
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Well, at least the panzerfaust and panzerschrek are very reliable in dealing (engine) damage from the front to every allied tank that is not an IS-2 or KV1/KV2. With allied AT weapons, even axis medium tanks like the P4 require you to flank to get the same results.
12 Dec 2014, 19:49 PM
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I don't see anything about an IS-2 change in the changelog. What are we even talking about here that makes the IS-2 "reworked," or are we still calling it that months after it was last changed?
12 Dec 2014, 20:01 PM
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I don't see anything about an IS-2 change in the changelog. What are we even talking about here that makes the IS-2 "reworked," or are we still calling it that months after it was last changed?
Nothing, because nothing was changed. Both IS-2 and pfaust were changed eons ago.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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