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They have almost double DPS at far range. In comparison, a bit better than a Kar. Nevertheless theres little point on upgrading them unless you float munition, you want "cool" G43 and you use nonstop interrogation.
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Replace ppsh with svt and make those svt actually useful at middle range.
Fixed?
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they should give cons the automatic svt like the ones in red orchestra 2. avt, i think it is called.
that would be glorious
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AVT's were actually really crap, they were discontinued soon after introduction, and the troops that still had them were ordered to only use them in semi-automatic mode. They sucked because the recoil made them impossible to aim, and the stresses of automatic fire often broke the rifles. What can ya' expect from a semi-automatic design converted to fully automatic with no other alterations
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This is another issue that needs to be addressed, its 40 muns for a less effective squad lol.Way I see it, it's 40 mins to turn a long range squad into a short range squad.
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that's a shame. i would love to hear full rifle rounds shot automatically though. in coh2. it would be like soviet's assault rifle.
How many PPSHs does the upgrade give?
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Actually there wasn't AVT rifle in USSR army (I never heard about this model), there was SVT-38 (40) (Tokarev Self-loading Rifle) and AVS-36 (Simonov Automatic Rifle). AVS was complicated in production and difficult to use, had some other issues, but generally was better then SVT.
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There is no recording in all WW2 history of a piat actually knocking off a vehicle. Yes, it was THAT bad.
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OKW get inf-stg-44's
Yet sov cant get avt-40
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I just don't like the idea of forcing a unit that already takes more fire than others into a close combat unit. That rec acc % really messes with them, I avoid PPSHs at all cost (As crazy as that sounds).
Hopeing for a Russian commander that allows for one DP-28 upgrade per squad.
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Conscripts are already a mid-to-short-range unit, that's where they beat Grenadiers. If anything, PPShs make them more deadly at knife fights.
Also, considering that I've occasionally seen stock Conscripts beat LMG Grenadiers, I'd say they're fine.
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Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
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Well historically, Stavka determined the AVT's combat performance was "less than that of a submachine gun" (their actual words, full quote is When converting a semi-automatic rifle to fully automatic by only modifying the trigger group, its combat usefulness decreases to less than that of a submachine gun. ). So unless you want a gun that's worst than the PPSh's. Better off with PPSh's
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Reality has no basis here. Fallschirms in CoH 2 use their FG42s in full auto, even though it was completely unusable in that setting
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