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Just bring us old Stug III!

Want to back old Stug III and make it playable?
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11 Nov 2014, 09:46 AM
#1
avatar of Frost

Posts: 1024 | Subs: 1

After nerf, anything still use this vehicles? They nerfed my favorite unit in game and made it unplayable. Who want them back?
11 Nov 2014, 09:59 AM
#3
avatar of Ztormi

Posts: 249

How is it unplayable? I think it does it's job pretty well once you vet it up which is not so hard to achieve. It's even easier if you have the Elite Troops commander. Target weakpoint + flanking P4 = awesomeness. So many heavies rekt by my brave little stuggies.
11 Nov 2014, 10:03 AM
#4
avatar of Aerohank

Posts: 2693 | Subs: 1

StugIII Ausf G are fine. They are decent assault guns with a price tag not much higher than a T70. There is a reason why they made it this way; it was because the stugIII had too much overlap with the P4 from the same tier. Now their roles are more defined and the Wehrmacht had a relatively cheaply priced all-round unit that it previously did not have.
11 Nov 2014, 10:27 AM
#5
avatar of Jaigen

Posts: 1130

StugIII Ausf G are fine. They are decent assault guns with a price tag not much higher than a T70. There is a reason why they made it this way; it was because the stugIII had too much overlap with the P4 from the same tier. Now their roles are more defined and the Wehrmacht had a relatively cheaply priced all-round unit that it previously did not have.


Eh what? whatever you have been drinking must be some good stuff because you got your history mixed up. Stug was in the beginning an excellent TD on par with the su85 then some knucklehead in relic decided it should not be and as predicted the su85 madness began soon after.

Currently their is much overlap with the p4. yes the stug is a cheap generalist. But the question is do they need one. The answer is no they need a dedicated TD in tier 3 and not a cheap generalist. Currently the strength of 85's kv's and e8 renders tier 3 nearly obsolete with many ostheer players waiting till the tiger comes out or they tech up to straight tier 4 (rather risky considering the cost) . The old stug would work well in the current meta and would improve balance as well. i suggest we go for it.
11 Nov 2014, 10:41 AM
#6
avatar of Frost

Posts: 1024 | Subs: 1

Stug also got problem with penetration of T-34, so...
11 Nov 2014, 10:53 AM
#7
avatar of Australian Magic

Posts: 4630 | Subs: 2

I would like to see Stug as TD. Increase penetration to 150/140/130, increase range to 55 but nerf AI power. I would love to see that.
11 Nov 2014, 11:02 AM
#8
avatar of Aerohank

Posts: 2693 | Subs: 1

jump backJump back to quoted post11 Nov 2014, 10:41 AMFrost
Stug also got problem with penetration of T-34, so...


So what? The T34/76 is not made of paper you know. It has 150 armor and StugIIIGs have 110 pen at max range (10 higher than P4).
11 Nov 2014, 13:26 PM
#9
avatar of broodwarjc

Posts: 824

Stugs are pretty cheap, any increase in AT and decrease in AI would come at a cost increase then they wouldn't be worth it compared to a P4 which has decent AI and AT.

Also most Ostheer players I have played with/agaisnt go P4 into Panther or Tiger, the only time I see them skip it is when they go for StugE.
11 Nov 2014, 14:14 PM
#10
avatar of Highfiveeeee

Posts: 1740

Why are most polls in this forum so far from objective?
It's mostly like

"Do you like my opinion?"

a) Hell yes!
b) No because I am a douche and cry myself to sleep.

Atm I like the StuG as it's role as a support to my P4 when I play a heavy T3 as Ost. From vCoH I only remember good old StuG and StuH spam against brits.
11 Nov 2014, 14:21 PM
#11
avatar of ilGetUSomDay

Posts: 612

What a terrible pole. Aerohank has it right, StuG is great.
11 Nov 2014, 14:27 PM
#12
avatar of Katitof

Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8

Why are most polls in this forum so far from objective?
It's mostly like

"Do you like my opinion?"

a) Hell yes!
b) No because I am a douche and cry myself to sleep.

Atm I like the StuG as it's role as a support to my P4 when I play a heavy T3 as Ost. From vCoH I only remember good old StuG and StuH spam against brits.


Because 99% of them are made by one faction heroes who haven't even accidentally played other side.

So lets make it backfire at them until they will learn.
11 Nov 2014, 14:59 PM
#13
avatar of JohnnyB

Posts: 2396 | Subs: 1

Stug is ok. It fulfils a nice role of assault gun. Moderate against tanks, moderate against infantry. I honestly like it better this way than good against tanks and shitty against infantry.
11 Nov 2014, 15:04 PM
#14
avatar of Romeo
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Posts: 1970 | Subs: 5

Stug needs a buff. I vote health/armor/range.
11 Nov 2014, 15:05 PM
#15
avatar of Frost

Posts: 1024 | Subs: 1

In vCoh2, Stug had been used like a TD, support for P4 and support for infantry. And then, T3 was balanced tech (stug td; p4 universal (more to AI role then TD) and ostwind AI). Now it is broken cause in T3: p4 is great AI option and good vs tank option, ostwind is great vs infantry but where is role for stug? He is bad to anything to build (close AT statistics to p4) and he is replaced by Tiger or Elephant. It also broken some doctrines like Jeager Infantry, where Stugs have been necessary. And really, I'm still playing soviets cause relic just nerfed my favourite doctrine (jeager infranty through stugs hand gew 43). Amen

And also, sorry for my english if sometimes is unreadable :P
11 Nov 2014, 15:37 PM
#16
avatar of OZtheWiZARD

Posts: 1439

Since when Stug has problems penetrating T-34? Did I miss something?
11 Nov 2014, 16:02 PM
#17
avatar of DakkaIsMagic

Posts: 403

Right after they buff the damange of the SU-76.
11 Nov 2014, 16:21 PM
#18
avatar of ZombiFrancis

Posts: 2742

The StuG and the SU-76 are in the same boat of obsolete unturreted units.

Both are rendered useless by AT nades/fausts because they have to move/turn to aim. Just about anything can circle strafe them at that point.
11 Nov 2014, 16:25 PM
#19
avatar of Kreatiir

Posts: 2819

Why are most polls in this forum so far from objective?
It's mostly like

"Do you like my opinion?"

a) Hell yes!
b) No because I am a douche and cry myself to sleep.


I'm sorry frost, but he's right.
If you are making a poll, at least make it non-biased.
This is just ridiculous.
11 Nov 2014, 17:00 PM
#20
avatar of WiFiDi
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Posts: 3293

I am so F***ing offended by this biased piece of s*** pole!!! >:(

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