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29 Oct 2014, 00:49 AM
#141
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jump backJump back to quoted post26 Oct 2014, 15:35 PMJohnnyB
Whoever thinks ISU and Jagd are overnerfed was greatly taking advantage of these abuse machines before. L2 micro.


Possibly the most sensible comment in the whole thread, bravo sir!
29 Oct 2014, 01:22 AM
#142
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It's strange that those soviet abusers weren't able to hold their ground in 4vs4 vs the Axis war machine... i think that they didn't abused enough to win.

Thanks
29 Oct 2014, 01:44 AM
#143
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It's strange that those soviet abusers weren't able to hold their ground in 4vs4 vs the Axis war machine... i think that they didn't abused enough to win.

Thanks
29 Oct 2014, 06:25 AM
#144
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It's strange that those soviet abusers weren't able to hold their ground in 4vs4 vs the Axis war machine... i think that they didn't abused enough to win.

Thanks


This is your thread, you should really be addressing people's arguments instead of posting sarcastic responses to nobody in particular complaining that Allies are bad enough to warrant this unit.
29 Oct 2014, 10:52 AM
#145
avatar of MilkaCow

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jump backJump back to quoted post29 Oct 2014, 00:00 AMNinjaWJ


Yes it is quite painful to read some posts there. But what would Relic do if 100 percent of the people voted for the changes/not for the changes? would they change their mind?


I don't think that ~100% voting for it would change make Relic change it, and I guess that's good. Forums are one source of informations. A second one is of course the stats they collect. There is the Alpha group, whose members are by now quite experienced in providing feedback. Lastly of course they have their own experiences and impressions.

Unless at least some of the other sources besides the poll agree on it, I don't think they would directly change it but rather wait for a while. There is a high chance that people are just uncomfortable with the change and instead of trying to learn to use the new unit want to go back to the old way. That happens in almost all patches.

Prime example would be when the M3A1SC got changed from being a good armored transport with mediocre armor to being a lightly armored but more heavily armed car. Initially a ton of people in the community (even a few of the so called pros) were saying it will never be used again. Videos of flamer M3s in close range being killed by Pios were posted, or of the M3 at close range losing fights rather often. Almost a month later people began to spam so many M3s that they had to be nerfed repeatedly.

Just give it more time...
29 Oct 2014, 10:56 AM
#146
avatar of BrutusHR

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jump backJump back to quoted post28 Oct 2014, 13:45 PMAradan


OMG, we all can see, you have many experience with ISU play.

http://www.coh2.org/ladders/playercard/steamid/76561198051223160


Damn i forgot about the playercard. nvm guys, i have never seen ISU before, have no idea what it is or what that thing do. I just heard it's good.

Now, can u say where i was wrong? U wouldn't trade JT for ISU? Quoting someone and showing them their playercard (lol) is best argument ever i know, but little more than that would be appreciated.
29 Oct 2014, 11:34 AM
#147
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jump backJump back to quoted post28 Oct 2014, 22:01 PMVonIvan
ISU is still useful imo(just not an automatic weapon), now if only we can work on the Jadgtiger and Elefant :snfPeter:


OMFG thats one awesome gif.
29 Oct 2014, 12:52 PM
#148
avatar of NinjaWJ

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jump backJump back to quoted post29 Oct 2014, 06:25 AMTobis


This is your thread, you should really be addressing people's arguments instead of posting sarcastic responses to nobody in particular complaining that Allies are bad enough to warrant this unit.


He is saying if these charges of being abused were indeed true, how can it explain the abysmal abysmal rates of ALlies in 3v3 and 4v4
29 Oct 2014, 13:00 PM
#149
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VonIvan Gif for the win ... close this thread now.
29 Oct 2014, 18:27 PM
#150
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 Oct 2014, 12:52 PMNinjaWJ


He is saying if these charges of being abused were indeed true, how can it explain the abysmal abysmal rates of ALlies in 3v3 and 4v4

Just because allies are at a disadvantage in team games doesn't mean they can abuse this unit. The ISU is not the one saving grace of the soviet faction, you can't expect one unit to make the balance issues go away. The ISU is completely practical in 1v1 and 2v2, where it is still bullshit to play with, regardless of the game mode and large scale team balances.
29 Oct 2014, 19:41 PM
#151
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Prime example would be when the M3A1SC got changed from being a good armored transport with mediocre armor to being a lightly armored but more heavily armed car. Initially a ton of people in the community (even a few of the so called pros) were saying it will never be used again. Videos of flamer M3s in close range being killed by Pios were posted, or of the M3 at close range losing fights rather often. Almost a month later people began to spam so many M3s that they had to be nerfed repeatedly.

Just give it more time...

Wasn't that patch the one which made Pios DESTROY conscripts? They were then nerf. Not a good example :P
29 Oct 2014, 19:47 PM
#152
29 Oct 2014, 19:57 PM
#153
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 Oct 2014, 19:47 PMfaus515
ok. some history http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHgIb69VCoU


everyone says that we shouldn't bring history in a game because it is a GAME

and then you just be like "LOL better post some links to documentaries"
29 Oct 2014, 20:00 PM
#154
avatar of faus515

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everyone says that we shouldn't bring history in a game because it is a GAME

and then you just be like "LOL better post some links to documentaries"

i know that its game but its game historical, based on real events.there are no orks and elves. it isn't necessary to invent
29 Oct 2014, 20:34 PM
#155
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WE shouldn't bring history into this! The Axis are better than Allies in every way possible!
30 Oct 2014, 02:19 AM
#156
avatar of Ace of Swords

Posts: 219

Well boys, there's nothing to see anymore, we can all go home now

ISU-152

Similar to the Jagdtiger, we felt the manual fire on the ISU-152 failed to address the pressing issues raised by the community. Although it made the unit more micro intensive, it did not change the unit’s capacity to wipe full health units or change the fact that it could effectively engage both armor and infantry. We believe these two factored combined with its range make the unit too effective; thereby limiting viable strategies within the game. We are currently evaluating other methods that will better balance this unit’s functionality and performance.


http://community.companyofheroes.com/forum/company-of-heroes-2/company-of-heroes-2-general-discussion/67-coh-2-changelog/page4
30 Oct 2014, 02:59 AM
#157
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Looks like the abusers have won, lets enjoy another patch circle of isu vs jagdtiger. -_-
30 Oct 2014, 03:13 AM
#158
avatar of NinjaWJ

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Looks like the abusers have won, lets enjoy another patch circle of isu vs jagdtiger. -_-


aaaaand Jagdtiger wins
30 Oct 2014, 03:31 AM
#159
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jump backJump back to quoted post30 Oct 2014, 03:13 AMNinjaWJ


aaaaand Jagdtiger wins


yes - how boring, how stale.
30 Oct 2014, 04:30 AM
#160
avatar of The_Courier

Posts: 665

Ugh, I was hoping they wouldn't revert that nerf, or at least add in another sort of nerf if they did.

We're back to the stale meta again. Dammit.
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