win-lose-ratio from 15.9. - 25.9.2014 + much more

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2014, 01:22 AMludd3emm

These stats and pictures are not mine, they are created by a guy called "Legends" on the official forums. He have a program collecting information from the top 200 players in all game modes and all factions.

http://community.companyofheroes.com/forum/company-of-heroes-2/coh-2-balance-feedback/106966-win-lose-ratio-from-15-9-25-9-2014-much-more

He have collected data previous of these days as well, here are the links:

http://community.companyofheroes.com/forum/company-of-heroes-2/coh-2-balance-feedback/84723-win-lose-ratio-from-24-7-5-8-2014

http://community.companyofheroes.com/forum/company-of-heroes-2/coh-2-balance-feedback/97486-win-lose-ratio-from-27-8-7-9-2014

Here is where you can find all the information: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cLUwwk5-l_rM9_qwQGBykOAd7960Bw2TrpnINSvRW-A/edit#gid=0





















Team games represent 77.6% of all games played and OKW and Ostheer is heavily favored in 2vs2 and up. USF is suffering on all fronts.

Thoughts?

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2014, 11:55 AMAerohank

I would, that is why I play mostly allies.

When I play OKW I just spam volks, throw 10 ammo mini nuke grenades everywhere, spam panzerschreks for AT, get a single Ubersoldaten squad that easily racks up 60+ kills every game and get some panthers or a KT to finish of my opponent.

Teching costs are absolutely nothing with OKW and their volks are incredibly cheap to reinforce in the lategame considering their effectiveness as both AT platforms and mini-nuke lobbing AI platforms. That is, if it ever gets to that and the game does not end with kubel/pio/truck cut-off push shenanigans.

If you want a challenge, play Soviets while using doctrines without call-in tanks. See how your first T34/76 gets insta-countered by 3 panzerschreks and how your basic infantry gets shredded by übersoldaten.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2014, 12:21 PMludd3emm

For the love of god, don't quote the starting post...

These stats do not show directly that Axis would be OP, but it can give you a hint that something is seriously broken in this game due to the Axis dominance.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2014, 12:28 PMSarantini

If you see the amount of games played in 4v4 you see the axis side has much more games played. So that means they generally play people allies outside the top200 making the winrate shift even more into the axis favour.
Ideally it should only count games played between top200 players but this is up to Relic to make that information public.

Good information and shows a shocking story though.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2014, 12:36 PMBrutusHR

OKW is only faction that is fun and interesting to play because u have some choice on how to play. Not much, but still more choice than with Soviet, USF and Ostheer.
This game wont have future like vCoh. Because they need to milk it more, easier to sell DLC if they have something new when the factions are dull.
Still remember when @THQLynx said that this game wont be pay2win, that they offer only skins for DLC, But alot of OP and broken stuff come from DLC-s just to sell them better, and after cca- a month or two to nerf it. Game is broken, unbalanced, boring to play. And pretty much they lied to us. GG Sega, this is second RTS that u ruined... (rome2)

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2014, 13:26 PMTNrg

Someone should calculate whether those average winrates between the factions are statistically significant or not. For example between the USF and OKW.

I think the top 200 players will get to stomp over so many weaker players even as USF so the results tell nothing about the true balance really. Only matches between evenly skilled players and the winrates of those between factions would tell something about balance.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2014, 13:42 PMTatatala

Yet looking at the top 200 allied players in bigger games, shows that is not the case.

It doesn't matter anyway. It's all semantics. Relic has all the information, and more besides. Are they doing anything? Are they even acknowledging there is a problem?

Nope. Nope.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2014, 13:20 PMludd3emm

I would still say that OKW (and Ost to some extent) is not just stronger, they are also easier to play and more straight forward. You have a lot of options as Soviet, even less with USF though.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2014, 13:52 PMBrutusHR

Still, dull tactics from those 3 faction.. For soviet all options are going cheese tactics, boring and annoying to play with and against to. Then callins or lose. USF lacks something for late game, and Ostheer is spam grens, paks and wait till tiger.
Very very dull gameplay. And i feel that only OKW has more options to play the game, because they are OP? Maybe, nerf it and we will get another faction that is boring to play. Still easier to nerf OKW than fix the other factions.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2014, 13:58 PMludd3emm

You should try playing some USF and/or Soviet and you will feel how satisfying it is to win against OKW. When I play OKW it's just another game.

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Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2014, 14:02 PMBlendersching

Probably I am not seeing something, but how can every faction have a win ratio of above 0.5? The sum of the ratios should balance out, shouldn't it?

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2014, 14:07 PMCruzz

Because this is top-200 only, they're getting their wins off lower ranks, especially axis in teamgames where the gap between games played is absolutely huge between axis top-200 and allies top-200.

Jump back to quoted post28 Sep 2014, 14:12 PMTatatala

But this is a fallacy no? I'm sure I've read it so many times about the waiting cue... about how it's not an indicator of how strong the axis factions are etc etc etc.


Where are you guys who said it?