Let's talk Soviet faction.
20 Sep 2014, 23:46 PM
#41
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Why the fuck Gren have difficulty winning 180MP CE squad?
20 Sep 2014, 23:48 PM
#42
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Why the fuck Gren have difficulty winning 180MP CE squad?
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21 Sep 2014, 00:03 AM
#43
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Why the fuck Gren have difficulty winning 180MP CE squad?
21 Sep 2014, 00:12 AM
#44
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Id rather have penals be the throwaway infantry and conscripts be the base just for realism. Seems silly that a penal battalion becomes the "main" infantry of the USSR.
Penal Squad should be reworked into some sort of assault squadron. I don't want the changed into a long-range unit like others have suggested. Their current kit matches close-range identity more than long-range.
Penal Battalions were often used as Assault troops due to the high casualties that such units were expected to take. So the logic is that the Penals (armed with SVT's and satchels) are supposed to be 'suicide' units that attack the enemy defences head-on. In practice however the low suppression resistance and high-cost discourages such use.
I agree that they shoudn't be long-range units though, that doesn't fit the weapon they use.
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21 Sep 2014, 01:27 AM
#45
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Nevermind, just find a new cheese of Soviet, not yet well known, you will know soon.
21 Sep 2014, 02:51 AM
#46
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Penal Battalions were often used as Assault troops due to the high casualties that such units were expected to take. So the logic is that the Penals (armed with SVT's and satchels) are supposed to be 'suicide' units that attack the enemy defences head-on. In practice however the low suppression resistance and high-cost discourages such use.
I agree that they shoudn't be long-range units though, that doesn't fit the weapon they use.
honestly, i dont care what they are called but they are in a perfect position for soviets as standard trained infantry. soviets has enough assault troops, conscripts/penals/shocks. what they really need are infantry that can take fire and dish out enough at range to deter infantry rushes.
the only one that fits are guards and guards being guards are currently doctrinal, too expensive and too squishy against all that incoming fire that german infantry are so capable of spewing.
21 Sep 2014, 02:55 AM
#47
Posts: 142
Nevermind, just find a new cheese of Soviet, not yet well known, you will know soon.
The infamous pio spam Soviet version, i guess?
21 Sep 2014, 07:28 AM
#48
Posts: 281
If cons are meant to be infinior they should cost less. it is just stupid that volks overal are better and cost less.
21 Sep 2014, 07:55 AM
#49
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If cons are meant to be infinior they should cost less. it is just stupid that volks overal are better and cost less.
In what universe are Volks better than Cons? I'd take Cons over Volks easily.
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21 Sep 2014, 08:09 AM
#50
Posts: 281
In what universe are Volks better than Cons? I'd take Cons over Volks easily.
Way better in late and mid lease good in early.
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21 Sep 2014, 08:30 AM
#51
Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8
Nevermind, just find a new cheese of Soviet, not yet well known, you will know soon.
Flamethrower upgrade is there since closed alpha and its not cheeze.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
21 Sep 2014, 08:30 AM
#52
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In what universe are Volks better than Cons? I'd take Cons over Volks easily.
Deal.
When do we trade?
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
21 Sep 2014, 08:52 AM
#53
Posts: 281
Cons take more damdge, lease good vet and no upragde at all.
21 Sep 2014, 08:52 AM
#54
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Deal.
When do we trade?
Volks feel like shittier anti infantry when compared to Cons. All they got for is the Schreck and ridiculous Vet 5 durability. Cons have more dps and way more utility.
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21 Sep 2014, 08:53 AM
#55
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In what universe are Volks better than Cons? I'd take Cons over Volks easily.
YES PLEASE. you can have all the cons in the world.
21 Sep 2014, 09:01 AM
#56
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Volks feel like shittier anti infantry when compared to Cons. All they got for is the Schreck and ridiculous Vet 5 durability. Cons have more dps and way more utility.
But then they get vet1 and onwards are better. I'd rather have less flexible squad that actually can do something then 'flexible' merge/cap bot.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
21 Sep 2014, 09:10 AM
#57
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Nevermind, just find a new cheese of Soviet, not yet well known, you will know soon.
I dunno about that, what I am sure of it is that new grens are completely crap.
BeefSurge wrote:
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
21 Sep 2014, 09:19 AM
#58
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But then they get vet1 and onwards are better. I'd rather have less flexible squad that actually can do something then 'flexible' merge/cap bot.
Must be playing a different game.
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21 Sep 2014, 09:27 AM
#59
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I dunno about that, what I am sure of it is that new grens are completely crap.
21 Sep 2014, 09:27 AM
#60
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I dunno about that, what I am sure of it is that new grens are completely crap.
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