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Actually, the Kubel loses damage from closing in on it, the Kubel fires shorter bursts at close range. At long range the Kubel has the burst advantage, firing longer bursts. At close range the Kubel fires shorter bursts than the M3, and gets wrecked for it. A long range fight is RNG, but a close range fight should go to the M3.
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At long range the Kubel has the burst advantage, firing longer bursts. At close range the Kubel fires shorter bursts than the M3, and gets wrecked for it.Didn't notice that, quite interesting.
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Didn't notice that, quite interesting.
Also, moving in with m3 and going past the Kubel will result in shooting at the Kubel with the rear gun, and forcing the Kubel to turn and lose its stationary bonus (what is the impact of stationary bonus other than supression?).
Then, if Kubel chooses not to move you can reverse to be in front of it, rinse and repeat.
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Actually, the Kubel loses damage from closing in on it, the Kubel fires shorter bursts at close range. At long range the Kubel has the burst advantage, firing longer bursts. At close range the Kubel fires shorter bursts than the M3, and gets wrecked for it. A long range fight is RNG, but a close range fight should go to the M3.
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Had to actually run the numbers, and well...your point is the correct one.
Kubel DPS at 1 pene with 100% accu: 47/41/39
M3 DPS at 1 pene with 100% accu: 51/35/25
So while the Kubel doesn't really give a shit what range it is at against the M3 DPS wise, the M3 very much wants to close in because it's long range performance is so bad relatively.
M3 < Kubel at long range, M3 = Kubel at midrange (total RNG fight), and M3 > Kubel at point blank. So knowing that the M3 has to rush in to actually win, you can just deal with it accordingly.
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This is assuming the kubel is by itself, but most likely it will be accompanied by stumpioneers, in which case you just exposed your m3 weaker rear armor to them. In about 5 seconds your m3 will be dead.Yes, Kubel and Sturmpios in unison will destroy any single Soviet T1 squad or unit. I realize we are not comparing units in vacuum and you are right there, but if Sturmpios are nosing around to support the Kubel you should really have a Conscript or Penal squad inside the M3, which would absolutely murder the Kubel if they stayed at long range.
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In this test the assumption is that every shot will penetrate and the accuracy is 100%? Is that a realistic scenario, and how does that take into account their calculated dps values?
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Taking out Kübelwagen with the M3 is not very problematic, utilizing the back .50 cal of the M3 can melt down a Kübel quite effectively.
I flank them and drive behind them, since you have two .50 cals its not really a problem to position your M3 properly.
However us forces have no direct counter to it. Rifle company does a good job and a quick M20 is the best solution.
It's not really problematic if you can avoid blobbing and force the Kübel contanstly to reposition.
With Ostheer you have to play a likewise strategy against M3 heavy play. Keep your units together and wait for T2.
Nobody does complain about that.
Most replies I read feel like "uhhh the Kübel finally turned viable from it's former piece of shit status, I actually have to adapt... NERF PLEASE"
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Well I guess we could have say the same about the WC51, and it has been delayed to CP1 to satisfy people. Going M20 is a false good option since a wise OKW player will go T2 and make a Puma. Your M20 is on the field min5, his Puma min6-7, you have 1-2 minutes windows time to kill the kubel and say bye bye to your M20... and almost nothing to counter the Puma, the OKW just has to build a second kubel and keep it next to his Puma and now, you have stricly nothing to counter him
What if you don't got tier 1 as soviets and don't pick rifle company as US?
Are there other counters to it?
I don't think soviets should have to go tier 1 to counter a tier 0 unit.
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Please no triple nerfs.
Acceleration could be lowered, fuel cost added, reduce damage as well while you're at it, don't need that, I need it to be a mobile supression platform. Which it currently is.
The problem is, early game I can have one mobile supression platform for every US squad on the field. This could be a fundamental problem (which did not come to the foreground before because the Kubel would do cartwheels around every rock and could not have been positioned properly).
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So a quick puma is something new for you?
1-2 minutes are enough to hunt down a Kübelwagen and lay down a baiting mine for the puma. Rifle Grenades, Bazookas, Airborne AT gun drop... At minute 7 you have options to counter even a quick puma.
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That sounds like "I don't want to build Jackson and AT guns to counter heavy tanks".
You have a counter for a specific tactic, aren't you a ignorant person if you refuse to use it?
Ostheer needs also tier T2 to counter soviet t1.
Moreover if you haven't noticed it.... US Forces and OKW basically have one tier less, as their Main building acts as a T1 if you compare them to Ostheer and Soviets.
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Bazookas delay your T2 or T3 and a not reliable, it would be good if only it doesn't cost fuel to unblock them. And since it is now really easy for OWK to deny fuel, just send it to the USF fuel point and it's done for a good time.
The Gameplay and design issue here is USF shouldn't be the faction buying counters to be preserved from aggressive units in the first 5 minutes - otherwise, do not call it the Early domination faction anymore and give them good damn late game heavy tanks
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Oh common guys.
Assault Engineers was completely useless before. Now that it has somesort of role you want to nerf it into uselessness again....It can be overcome with semi decent micro. Its not a scalable unit at all. in 90% case its useless after first 5 minutes of game.
Learn to adapt.
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