Panther Buff

OKW Panther accuracy from 0.025/0.0375/0.05 to 0.035/0.045/0.06
Wehrmacht Panther accuracy from 0.025/0.0375/0.05 to 0.03/0.045/0.06

Frontal armor from 290 to 320

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2014, 19:49 PMAbdul

However, this is where the buff goes completely wrong. Increasing Panther armor from 290 to 320 makes absolutely no sense. This is a fast tank that is supposed to flank heavy tanks and penetrate their armor. Why is it given the front armor value of a heavy tank?

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2014, 19:54 PM__deleted__

Believe me dude, Panther is still not viable....

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2014, 19:49 PMAbdul

I think the panther's front armor should be reduced and instead its cost/teching cost should be revised to make it more feasible to obtain in 1v1 games.

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2014, 19:54 PM__deleted__

Believe me dude, Panther is still not viable....

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2014, 20:21 PMKovuTalli

It feels like all tank MG's, or at least top MG's got a buff, as my Panthers have been ripping infantry apart, also anyone else notice MG42's have a new sound? Set up and tank variants.



My Vet 5 Panther I had earlier disagrees with you, it ate Jacksons like no ones business and won 1:1 vs su85's (I've had them go 2:1 before too but that requires the help of RNGesus

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2014, 20:58 PM__deleted__

We're talking Ost Panthers. At least I was. There has been a tangible improvement to the unit, but in the context of the Ost tech structure, going for Panthers outside of a situation of total superiority is still folly. Against Jacksons/Su 85s the Panther is individually stronger than a Tiger if only due to its greater mobility and range, however against anything else it is way inferior while costing more.... (tech ofc included here)

Jump back to quoted post11 Sep 2014, 03:44 AMAbdul

I am not sure if its mg has been improved.

As others have also pointed out its teck cost is the main problem for Ost. If this problem is solved it should have a lower armor value, lower than 290 in fact. Otherwise we will end up having something similar to the old SU85 where it was fast, long range, high penetration, and high armor. Everyone complained about it back then, but you don't see people complaining about thew panther yet because its teching cost makes it less common than the SU85 was.

Jump back to quoted post11 Sep 2014, 08:24 AMButcher

The main issue with the SU-85 was that it could spot for itself. The Panther can´t use its range to that extend. It should be this hard to penetrate frontally or it would remain a glorified Panzer IV. The same way you don´t attack a SU-85 with a Panzer IV frontally, you shouldn´t attack a Panther frontally and expect to win.

Jump back to quoted post11 Sep 2014, 17:25 PMAbdul

That was one issue, the other one was armor. Before the last nerf (Apr 24) the SU85 had a front armor value of 180 (p4 had very hard time penetrating). Since then it was reduced to the current 140.

High armor values should not be so prevalent in the game. They make game play stale when your AT guns' and tank destroyers' shots constantly bounce. And in the Panther's case it's even worse because the tank has good speed and high armor. That tank needs its cost/teching reduced not its armor increased.

Jump back to quoted post11 Sep 2014, 17:25 PMAbdul

That was one issue, the other one was armor. Before the last nerf (Apr 24) the SU85 had a front armor value of 180 (p4 had very hard time penetrating). Since then it was reduced to the current 140.

High armor values should not be so prevalent in the game. They make game play stale when your AT guns' and tank destroyers' shots constantly bounce. And in the Panther's case it's even worse because the tank has good speed and high armor. That tank needs its cost/teching reduced not its armor increased.

Jump back to quoted post11 Sep 2014, 17:35 PMThe Silver Sage

I completely agree with you on this point Abdul. Making these units more accessible will increase gameplay variety and avoid this issue where costly units become very hard to take down or as I like to call it the ''heavy vehicle effect''. Rather than increasing armour (to the point where dedicated AT really struggles) the price should have been reduced.

Jump back to quoted post11 Sep 2014, 18:01 PMJHeartless

I think teching and DPs should have went up. Not armor. Because at Vet 2.....

Edit: Teching cost went down.

Jump back to quoted post11 Sep 2014, 18:40 PMgroconrs

vet0 armor 320, vet2 352 + 160 health

Jump back to quoted post11 Sep 2014, 18:50 PMAbdul

The figure you list is the vet 2 bounce for the OKW panther. The one I listed above is the vet 2 bounce for OST panther which gets a 30% increase in armor (320x1.3=416).