T-34/76

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2014, 15:56 PMMilkaCow

The T34/76 got a unlisted buff in the last patch. The KV-1 should have 1 sec less reload due to the fact it has a bigger turret and crew, but since they shared the same gun (file wise) this also buffed the T34. This patch fixed this. Should have close to no impact on the game anyways as it's still dominated by call-ins. If the T34/76 is too weak now then it's probably giving a buff. Considering that out of each 30 trials at 10 / 20 / 30 range the T34 won on average 43% of the times vs a PIV (Most on short range, least on long range) I guess it's fine. I know it's not a perfect test and the sample size is small, yet it's the best data I could create without dedicated tools D:

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2014, 17:07 PMKatitof

*cough*SU-76, ZiS-3*cough*

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2014, 18:27 PMKreatiir

It is nerfed hard.
p4's just roll 'm, not cool.

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2014, 16:57 PMbraciszek

Just sounds like making up reasons to me. You shouldnt have to find a reason why Relic does things. When you do, the validity of the change is questionable.

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2014, 17:35 PMGreeb

I'm starting to hate all the comparatives between T34/76 and PanzerIV that tend to forget schrecks, 100%-effective fausts and faster-shooting Paks.

Even if numbers say that both tanks are very similar, in the actual game, T34/76 has a lot more chances to die first. Is not fair a cost of 25 more fuel? For a higher probability to survive in a fight face to face and better AI power, vet bonuses and with a MUCH better support, I think that yes.

Prepatch T34/76 was out of the meta due to things like that even its supposed role as AI tank was worse than PzIV's. Adding more reload (even if it's a fix) just gives more reasons to skip T3 completely and go for call-ins.

Jump back to quoted post10 Sep 2014, 18:54 PMJaigen

considering the cost difference shouldn't they roll them?

Jump back to quoted post11 Sep 2014, 02:11 AMcomm_ash

t34s are nigh usless due to the number of at weapons they must fight and the amount of damage they manage to do.

Jump back to quoted post11 Sep 2014, 07:19 AMGreeb

That's the key phrase.

T34/76 is expected to be the armored backbone of soviet army, but its damage output and armor can't do nothing against the number of threats it has to fight (Faster reloading Paks, Schrecks, 100% effective Fausts...). Even more, its role is obscure as it is inferior to its axis counterpart in all fields, AI and AT. It even doesn't have a coaxial hmg...

Axis medium tanks like Stug, PzIV, Puma, etc, have a HUGE survivality rate compared with T34 because all their AT threats are way inferior and still they have doctrinal abilities to help them to survive like blitz and smoke.

Jump back to quoted post11 Sep 2014, 02:11 AMcomm_ash

So, last patch I had fallen into a rhythm of using t34/76s because I found them to be a solid tank if well microed. With this new "bug fix," t34s are nigh useless due to the number of at weapons they must fight and the amount of damage they manage to do. I think the best idea at this point would be to revert t34 to their good old super AI tank status that they used to hold a while ago, and then give us the much needed t70/ su76 swap. As the game stands now, t34s are not cost efficient for what they do, especially since they are the only worthwile unit in their tier for the most part.

Jump back to quoted post11 Sep 2014, 07:52 AMOmega_Warrior

The armor game disparity is ridiculous. I get trying to display germany's tank dominance, but Relic consistently goes far beyond that. Despite the constantly shifting balance, not once in the history of Company of Heroes has an allies late game been better then any german's.