Panzergrenadier needs a buff

Jump back to quoted post5 Sep 2014, 12:08 PMCardboard Tank

Sure, but who will be affected the most by those LMG nerfs?

1) Ostheer, LMG Grens: The only combat-infantry unit used, backbone of every game. LMGs are a must have.

2) Soviets, Guards: Doctrinal, and even then I dont always upgrade them. Half of the games though, you dont use the DP at all.

3) USA, Rifles: Riflemen are the strongest standard infantry in the game, they are strong even without LMGs.

So through the backdoor you would nerf Ostheer - the weakest faction of the game - even further.

Jump back to quoted post5 Sep 2014, 12:21 PMCookiezNcreem

He's saying the LMGs that are making the ostheer weak currently will be nerfed,therefore,making the ostheer stronger,even if it means nerfing the LMG42. No one will have a GREAT LMG anymore and that will benefit the ostheer since grens and pgrens wont get absoulutely smashed by vet riflemen BAR blobs anymore.

They probably still wont have the advantage since riflemen are supposed to be the best mainline infantry in the game. Its the way the faction was designed. its just right now the gap is too big.

And im pretty sure rifles without bars will not beat pgrens unless the pgrens are in open or charge across red cover to them.

Jump back to quoted post5 Sep 2014, 12:08 PMCardboard Tank

Sure, but who will be affected the most by those LMG nerfs?

1) Ostheer, LMG Grens: The only combat-infantry unit used, backbone of every game. LMGs are a must have.

2) Soviets, Guards: Doctrinal, and even then I dont always upgrade them. Half of the games though, you dont use the DP at all.

3) USA, Rifles: Riflemen are the strongest standard infantry in the game, they are strong even without LMGs.

So through the backdoor you would nerf Ostheer - the weakest faction of the game - even further.

Jump back to quoted post5 Sep 2014, 04:12 AM__deleted__

Something I've thought would help PG play is buying one shrek at a time so that it's not 120 but 2x60. Also letting the g43 be two slots so 2x60 again.

Jump back to quoted post5 Sep 2014, 14:08 PMThe_Courier

Bit of an armor or received accuracy buff ahould help them. For a 320 MP assault squad, they are too fragile. Their damage and cost seems right. If Shocks can stay competitive in the current meta, I see no reason for PGrens not to be with a buff.

Jump back to quoted post5 Sep 2014, 21:29 PMbutterfingers158

320 MP assault squad... you mean Sturmpios? Who don't have a baseline -received accuracy like PGrens do? Who do less DPS at all ranges than PGrens?

Seriously PGrens are superior to Sturmpios in all aspects (except maybe vet 4/ vet 5? Haven't done the math on that) and cost 20 more manpower. I don't see anyone saying Sturmpios are underperforming as an infantry unit.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2014, 03:47 AMThe_Courier

Ah, but Sturmpios have other roles (repair, defenses, mine detectors). They also come earlier and you get a free one at start. They can also get backed up by a bevy of elite infantry and the very durable Volks, while PGrens are the only combat infantry in their faction save grenadiers (and well, Osttruppen if you wanna count them).

Jump back to quoted post5 Sep 2014, 04:44 AMVindicareX

They're bad. While their damage can be impressive, they more often than not get models sniped off to simple rifle fire (meaing they usually get forced off before they can make use of their good mid-close range damage). And with the high manpower cost and upkeep, you're better off just using grens or MGs.

Buff their armor or something so they don't die so easily and they will be fine.