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stop being a failfish and try putting words in my mouth. also you fail because its widely acknowledged that ami's and soviets have the stronger starting position.
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I don't even think OKW is bad in 1v1. Decent Sturmpio micro in the early game followed up by the use of Obersoldaten late game is extremely difficult to deal with. At best, they're balanced in 1v1. In team games, especially because of the trucks, OKW is completely broken.
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Wait are you suggesting that cons do not get vet or something?
And the wheel keeps turning and turning and turning. didnt i already mention that veterancy shouldn't affect unit balance and all units need to be judged at vet 0.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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stop being a failfish and try putting words in my mouth. also you fail because its widely acknowledged that ami's and soviets have the stronger starting position.
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I think the Jagdtiger should take a damage penalty for shooting through terrain/buildings, but aside from that I think they're in a good spot.
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Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
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Permanently BannedMaybe it is a learn to play problem, but I absolutely hate playing against the OKW early game. I play Soviets, and their units are often very fragile. The Sturmpio squads that OKW have just absolutely wreck SOviet infantry early game. It feels like if you lose the first engagement, the game is over.
It is also extremely frustrating to play against high-damage units such as Panzerfusiliers and Jaegers, who can wreck you from faraway. All OKW units except sturmpios seem to have grenades as well and the volks get schrecks! Seems like the faction really has everything except midgame tanks (but get nondoc KT).
There is no recording in all WW2 history of a piat actually knocking off a vehicle. Yes, it was THAT bad.
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Maybe it is a learn to play problem, but I absolutely hate playing against the OKW early game. I play Soviets, and their units are often very fragile. The Sturmpio squads that OKW have just absolutely wreck SOviet infantry early game. It feels like if you lose the first engagement, the game is over.
It is also extremely frustrating to play against high-damage units such as Panzerfusiliers and Jaegers, who can wreck you from faraway. All OKW units except sturmpios seem to have grenades as well and the volks get schrecks! Seems like the faction really has everything except midgame tanks (but get nondoc KT).
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Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
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Maybe it is a learn to play problem, but I absolutely hate playing against the OKW early game. I play Soviets, and their units are often very fragile. The Sturmpio squads that OKW have just absolutely wreck SOviet infantry early game. It feels like if you lose the first engagement, the game is over.
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Jaigen, you constantly compare conscripts to volks at vet0, scaling is a very important factor: especially for axis in general, both factions tend to play defensively in the early part of the game, and focus on unit preservation to turn the table later in the game with superior veterancy
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Axis doesn't have the best AT options in the game
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Well if Volks scale insanely, there would be no reason to build anything but volks.
But by your logic, combat engineers need a buff, sturmpios need a nerf, conscripts need a buff, so basically all vet0 units need to be equalized
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i suggest you play a few axis games before you post again.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Veterancy is something i never take into account when balancing units. units need to perform at vet 0 and currently volks are a bit up for cost and need a slight buff. also the veterancy of the volks is not that great compared to the other okw units. If volks scale insanely i really would like your opinion on the vet that panzer fusiliers or obers get.
people are currently freaking out even when i have not suggested what kind of i want for the volks.
but volks only need a minor buff of 10-13 % dps increase over all ranges to make them balanced.
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Well it's there, like it or not, and it is a way to balance things. OKW have generally more expensive units (vehicles mostly) which is offset by having 5 veterancy levels. P4 I'm pretty sure is balanced around its amazing vet 2 bonus. Many units that are simply OK at vet 0 become great at vet 1 (StuG being a big example, there are others) because of a specific bonus or ability.
Also, attacking anyone's playercard without publishing your own is highly hypocritical.
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