My thoughts & ideas on Conscripts

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2014, 14:56 PMJaigen

Some people cannot count. volks only gain one ability for free and that's their grenade which i believe is the worst of the lot. besides that they gain nothing. so scripts are much more useful late game when it comes to utility then volks. and yet while a gren squad can fight of conscripts early game a volks squads will lose. think for that for a moment before you say volks dont need a buff.

that said soviet needs some better AI options but that needs to found in penals.

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2014, 15:08 PMNinjaWJ

Conscripts have utility late game, but at a cost of getting wrecked hard. AT Nade barely pens heavy tanks, and the Molotov animation will become a liability (it is very slow). Merge is okay to keep support on the field and oorah is nice. So objectively, they do have late game use, but at a heavy cost

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2014, 15:24 PMGreeb

They don't have any use if they must be at close range to make some damage, even more when all the enemy infantry lategame does great at long/medium range. If I'm going to lose more than half of the squad just getting close, at least the reinforce cost or upkeep should be significantly lower.

They don't have grenades and ATnade just bounce in every vehicle with better armor than a halftrack. Only merge has some use lategame.

Volks on the other hand can chip damage from afar to enemy units, and shrecks are wonderful. I can't understand how any player can complain about them, especially if compared with PTRS or Zooks.

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2014, 18:04 PMOZtheWiZARD

Besides Volks have Shreks because OKW doesn't have proper AT gun.

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2014, 18:04 PMOZtheWiZARD

Because you need at least two Volks squads to do considerable damage to any vehicle and they don't snare. I'd take Cons AT nade every day.
Besides Volks have Shreks because OKW doesn't have proper AT gun.

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2014, 18:15 PMAlpharius

I'd say choosing between Shreks+Raketenwerfer and Zis+Scripts I would take the first one.

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2014, 19:09 PMCrecer13

try a grenade, very helpful. And more micro control. conscripts - garbage. Only adequate ai squad Soviets - shock troops. from here spam maxims.
Let's change - give the Soviets Folk and take away conscripts. I will be very happy

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2014, 19:15 PMJaigen

yeah lets ignore the molotovs hey. or are you done cherry picking ad look at the overall picture.

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2014, 19:00 PMOZtheWiZARD

Volks can't fight equal fight early game, Cons can. That's why Volks are getting a buff.

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2014, 19:19 PMCruzz

Everyone ignores them because in the lategame, a single obersoldaten squad will wipe 3 to 4 models off a consquad during the throw animation, usually resetting the throw and forcing a retreat. And then even if by some miracle the molotov goes off, your enemy just walks to the side and the thing does nothing.

Cheapest, slowest throwing, shortest range nade with least effect on impact is a good equation for uselessness in the unit rich, munition rich, manpower poor endgame which is where everyone is saying cons are worse than useless.

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2014, 19:55 PMOZtheWiZARD

Sorry but I wouldn't even try to engage Obers with Cons

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2014, 19:38 PMGreeb

That's why you support your volks with the first Sturmpios, who unlike Combat engineers doesn't need to return to base to build anything and can be use offensively.

Sturmpio+volks own conscripts+engineers
As OKW you have an average long range unit plus an incredible short range unit, meanwhile soviets only have average short range units in the first minutes of the game.
Well microed, I think impossible to lose your first engagement against a soviet player if he did a T0 start. Buffing volks will only make that even easier for the OKW player, making T0 start useless and encouraging sniper/maxim spam.