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set up time is ok for me, but give it twice as much pack up time. that way maxims can be flanked
I mean the amount of suppression it gives out once set up. Different from the set up time.
What? Maxim is fine as it is, i never hear something bad about MG42
I can guess where this is going but I would like the topic to not be about whether I am Soviet or German. I would rather see feedback on this idea I had which incidentally involves a change to one of the factions and not to the others.
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If it's abused is because soviets can't play with infantry because all their non-doc units are useless.
Wait for next patch.
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set up time is ok for me, but give it twice as much pack up time. that way maxims can be flanked
I like this idea.
Or give them low penetration so you can kill them with light vehicles (kubel, 221/222, halftrack ost and okw flak). I think they kill these light vehicles almost as fast a Zis).
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I like this idea.
Or give them low penetration so you can kill them with light vehicles (kubel, 221/222, halftrack ost and okw flak). I think they kill these light vehicles almost as fast a Zis).
U won't be able to due to AT nade or zis.In 1 vs 1..lot of space..maybe.Teamgames certainly not.And its in teamgames that maxims thrive.
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Maxim is fine as it is.
If it's abused is because soviets can't play with infantry because all their non-doc units are useless
Nah.
If a unit is abused, its because it is overperforming.
As long as its overperforming, all other options, no matter how well balanced, will still look "useless" in comparison.
Its pretty simple logic.
OP:
I think your suggestions has merit, but its a bit counter-intuitive and would be difficult to explain to players.
I'd prefer something simpler, like a longer de-setup time for example as Skinless suggested.
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Nah.
If a unit is abused, its because it is overperforming.
As long as its overperforming, all other options, no matter how well balanced, will still look "useless" in comparison.
Its pretty simple logic.
OP:
I think your suggestions has merit, but its a bit counter-intuitive and would be difficult to explain to players.
I'd prefer something simpler, like a longer de-setup time for example as Skinless suggested.
Don't play alot of Soviets do you?
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Don't play slot of Soviets do you?
Don't understand basic precepts of logic do you.
Units are abused, because they overperform.
Any and all other units, even if perfectly balanced, seem "useless" when compared to it, by the simple fact that it overperforms (which leads to abuse).
Its not a complicated formula.
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I also don't understand why the maxim can't be an offensive weapon. It's already a poor idea to go running around with one while lacking atleast one screening infantry squad.
Adding to setup/packup time will just make it a shitty mg42 that is useless unless deployed in a building. Leave it as is, or if changes are made, make up for it with other sov unit buffs.
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Don't understand basic precepts of logic do you.
Units are abused, because they overperform.
Any and all other units, even if perfectly balanced, seem "useless" when compared to it, by the simple fact that it overperforms (which leads to abuse).
Its not a complicated formula.
Whoa Why are you so hostile? Insulting my intelligence isn't going to prove your point. That fact still stands, Soviet infantry are inferior and to remedy that people use maxims.
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I don't buy the notion that Maxim is "over-performing". Compared to every other non-doctrinal infantry unit it is the only unit that really performs at all.
Leave it as is, or if changes are made, make up for it with other sov unit buffs.
Why do I keep hearing this. It's not march deploymemt patch anymore. Sov early game was balanced relative to Ostheer in the Elbe patch. Don't forget that soviets can drop mines fast and cheaply. What do you spend your 500 munitions on when you go T2?
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Whoa Why are you so hostile?
Whoa! Actually, you where hostile!
Insulting my intelligence isn't going to prove your point.
I explained the simple logic.
No need to get personally defensive about it.
That fact still stands, Soviet infantry are inferior and to remedy that people use maxims.
Except thats not a fact.
Units are abused, because they overperform.
Any and all other units, even if perfectly balanced, seem "useless" when compared to it, by the simple fact that it overperforms (which leads to abuse).
Its not in dispute that some Sov infantry is potentially underperforming.
But that doesn't change the ontopic issue that maxims are OVERperforming.
Both need adjusting, where necessary, but one is not a result of the other, nor is the over/underperformance of either, related to the other, just to themselves.
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Nobody i know wins high level 1v1s only because they build plenty of maxims. In teamgames they are able to push at the beginning, but they offer no late game potential. They get decimated by mortar(-halftracks), artillery, vet infantry with upgrades, well placed grenades, and especially vet1 MG34/42s.
Saying "maxim" and "abuse" in the same sentence doesn't fit, at least from my perspective.
"Annoying" is maybe more suitable.
But maxims get build alot, because conscripts and penals are overshadowed by other units with much higher long range DPS, thanks to the current LMG centric state of the game and OKW elite infantry.
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Nobody i know wins high level 1v1s only because they build plenty of maxims. In teamgames they are able to push at the beginning, but they offer no late game potential. They get decimated by mortar(-halftracks), artillery, vet infantry with upgrades, well placed grenades, and especially vet1 MG34/42s.
Saying "maxim" and "abuse" in the same sentence doesn't fit, at least from my perspective.
"Annoying" is maybe more suitable.
Can anyone imagine if maxims were mirrored to MG42? Long time to setup, crew spread out, black magic teleport shenanigans, incendiary rounds...
I would gladly trade a maxim for a proper MG.
@Cannonade: but you didn´t answer his question
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@Cannonade: but you didn´t answer his question
Sorry. Who's/what question was that?
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