Cruzz's Fantasy Patch Thread 2: WTFWFA Edition

Jump back to quoted post8 Aug 2014, 07:53 AMausterlitz

A mix of suggestions..but no fuckin way maxim gets a buff..been waiting for the well deserved nerf of this shit unit.I can die in peace once maxim and panther are fixed.

Jump back to quoted post8 Aug 2014, 08:16 AMTheMachine

Pretty solid. Nice one, I don't think anyone can disagree. Once again apart from perhaps swapping T-70 with SU-76 tiers and giving the SU-85 some sort of frontal armour buff perhaps.

Jump back to quoted post7 Aug 2014, 14:51 PMMilkaCow

I can only agree with a small portion of those changes and in general think it's a bad idea. It's a too big list to with a certain confidence state the outcome of it. To not just make 'bland' statements let me try to elaborate a bit.

Call-In system - See my suggestion on the other thread. Yours would kill Call-In strategies completely and Relic stated they want to keep those. You gotta learn to work inside the limitations

USF:
First 3-4 suggestions could be possible, though the M7 is still buggy/problematic so I'd rather refrain from that. M8 direct fire is far too strong in my opinion and I'd put it in only arcing fire mode to make it hit moving squads less. Right now it's a far too powerful vehicle and giving it a toggle would only cause it to overperform even more. Sherman smoke is probably harder to fix than you suggest. I'd keep Major probably at 3 seconds, 2 is really damn fast as the flares only drop after 1 second, so anyone not in NA has close to no time to react. 57mm is good enough in my opinion as well as the priest, so I wouldn't touch those. Rest is meh, i don't mind changing it. I feel it doesn't tackle a few really important issues which is the overperforming BARs on range, the dual M1919A6 upgrade for Paratroopers and the long build times. I personally do not see the last one as a giant problem, but still testing it differently is fine.

Soviet:
Dunno about the Maxim. I think that would just make it more extreme and take one of the biggest factors for the MG42, the area suppression. SU-76 sounds problematic, but in the end it's just a general design idea - might be a bit too potent, but could be interesting and give it a role as it's a non barrage artillery. Conscripts - Well you know my stance on upgrades. They are ugly to balance and introducing more to balance out others is a bad way. Rest sounds okayish (though some of them not needed IMO).

Ostheer:
In general most sound acceptable, but I'd rather introduce such changes slowly as a lot of them have far fetching effects. Don't really like sniper and Osttruppen changes though.

OKW:
Once again, I'm not sure if those changes are necessary. Especially the MG34 one seems to be weird. It's worse than the MG42, doctrinal and should be more expensive? Why? Combined with a buffed Kübelwagen I feel that makes it extremely unattractive.

General ones:
I'd rather have Demos unable to trigger if a sweeper squad is within ~15 range or such. Sometimes you don't want to blow it up. Plane one I'd keep. Such a thing would once again make AA useless. Rest is okayish.

Jump back to quoted post8 Aug 2014, 13:38 PMVladislavs89

Really nice suggestions, agree with almost everything.

I would only add that PAK-43 could use the range increase since currently it is mostly useless.

I wonder if the guys from Relic have read that...

Jump back to quoted post8 Aug 2014, 13:55 PMKatitof

PaK43 could definitely go even as far as to 90 range. After all it got cost increase to 500 and its not like it was super often usable before that.

Jump back to quoted post8 Aug 2014, 14:43 PMAerohank

Something to keep in mind about the PAK43. Yes, it now is 500 mp opposed to 480 before. But it is also now only 10 supply (1 more than a normal AT gun), as opposed to 21 before the patch. This means that even though it's 20 mp more to build, the upkeep will cost 16.5 mp less per minute than before!

With the change to only 10 supply, it is now actually feasible to build 2 of these things without crippling your army in terms of supply.

Jump back to quoted post8 Aug 2014, 14:31 PMVladislavs89

Absolutely. Currently you are paying 500 mp for 1 good hit from a short distance on the enemy tank after which it becomes completely irrelevant.

Prior to the patch there was at least some chance of scaring the opponent off with its range by repairing and recruiting it after barrages.

Jump back to quoted post8 Aug 2014, 19:22 PMGreeb

Is pak43 affected by smoke?

Yes: Then buff the unit.

No: Then let it as it is. Being a laser guided AT weapon against which you can't cover in any way is fine for 500mp.

I never liked the idea of it shooting throught buildings. I find it poor design.

My suggestion would be buff it but being only able to shoot things in its LoS. (Avoiding terrain collision, of course)

Jump back to quoted post8 Aug 2014, 19:26 PMCannonade

Thing about this list, and Cruzz, is that it is a complete package.

You can pick the corn and peanuts out of it all you want, but it doesnt change that this is a "fantasy" patch, as he says. And cos Cruzz really CAN simultaneously figure many balance trajectories, his patch suggestion is more or less "complete", as a full indivisible package.

If you start removing one element, there is a cascade effect of changes on the others.
He has hairline thin adjustments in some entries, because thats how Cruzz thinks, and this guy knows his unit stats, that are there to counterbalance other changes, even if only ever so slightly. As you can see from his replies, most times, he has already considered mentioned concerns into his vision.

Its one mans (who knows his stuff) vision for a better game. Take it as is, and hopefully Relic also takes heed, and hopefullynsome of it matches their vision for the game too.