Easy Eight

m36

Technically, the M36 is a tank destroyer. But of course if you include it the M36 is superior, as long as you can kite.

M36 is pretty horrible for a "slugging match" because it's so weak. Its ability to win fights is dependent on your ability to kite with it. At least the Easy 8 can take a few blows and come out the other side. I would not be surprised if the Easy 8 was more effective head on against a Panther simply because it's higher ROF and increased armor/health allows it to do more damage on average than the Jackson's increased penetration does.

For 135 fuel it got to be good. Since it costs more than a Panzer IV it should perform better. However, I don't know if the tank can win against a panther or is it RNG dependent.

I never used the Easy 8 only gone against it, but I do notice that it has a lot of armor for a Sherman tank. I've had Tiger rounds bouncing of it sometimes, what are there stats!

215 frontal armor and 95 rear armor.

its strength against a panther isnt really relevant. it will lose to a panther, but the easy 8 is much much stronger against infantry.

T-34/85 + marked target is still the go-to heavy tank killer from what I've seen so far. The E8 doesn't win the gold belt in this area.


Allied medium tanks:

AT: T-34/85 > Sherman E8 > Lend lease Sherman > Sherman 75 > T-34/76

Sorry to disturb you guys, but what really makes this thing very very powerfull is its abillity to hit on the move. It can solo a KT easily ( without sup) and I think its too powerfull since its so cheap.

Most of the tanks in the game can 'solo' a KT if you just leave it unsupported in the open and allow it to be circle strafed for 10 minutes.

Honestly, I like the E8 as it is. Relying on tank destroyers made of balsa wood during the late-game gets tiresome. It's nice to have a tank with at least some body. The T34/85 comes cheaper as far as I know and is arguably better at killing heavy armour with its ability.

Post-nerf, the elite rifle commander really isn't too bad in my opinion - if only because, with the new CD, you will typically only get a single vet rifle squad out during the early game.

If an E8 solos a KT, whoever micros the KT sucks.

If you move your KT without support you deserve to lose it. Doesn't matter which tank your enemy uses.

Why would you limit your perspective? Do you own Western Fronts Armies?

Play as Rifle Company.

The company enables some low-fuel strategies that can then lean on their call-in.

It's not really the tank's fault as it is quite expensive. Call-ins are always overpowered like this. Don't tech to tier 4 and you save 90 fuel right out. Avoid investing heavily in light armor and make due with good infantry. Then spam Easy Eights.

It is an inflexible tactic but it has always been very strong.

Also, I dunno what like... "reliably penetrate a King Tiger from the front" means exactly but the Easy Eight always has a less than 46% chance to penetrate KT front armor. 46% is point-blank range.

I don't wanna get too pedantic but I'd say something that happens with less than a coin-flip's chance is not reliable.

While I am defending the Easy Eight I'm still figuring it out myself. OP? I dunno yet.

Well then my luck must've been not with me on that one

Panther needs fuel reduction IMO,its kinda overpriced, and to anyone who says the T-34/85 is a good medium..I sincerely suggest you try a couple of T-34/76 they are far better option.

No the easy eight didnt beat my king tiger. I won but witnessing it penetrate my king from the front concerned me.

No the easy eight didnt beat my king tiger. I won but witnessing it penetrate my king from the front concerned me.

anything with penetration will have a chance to penetrate a king tiger,in this case there's about 30% chance a e8 can penetrates a KT,welcome to COH

And why would you build a KT when you can have a Jadgtiger-of-doom for cheaper price?

As for the concern of the easy 8, it's a very good medium tank and with okish tankness, but that is the best tank US could possible get,Unless US have a chance to access the M26 pershing tank(which I hope it has similar performance as a Panther)

Panther needs fuel reduction IMO,its kinda overpriced, and to anyone who says the T-34/85 is a good medium..I sincerely suggest you try a couple of T-34/76 they are far better option.

nah, t34/76 is only good for lighter tanks. t34/85 is a complete upgrade that allows them to tackle heavies. also it is with commanders that have marked target.

tagged with a mate who went isu152 and crew shocks german heavies, t34/85 will wreck it in no time. i have seen t34/76 rear shots bouncing off.

It comes out at 9 freaking command points and can easily be destroyed by a pak, panther, tiger, king tiger, combined arms ect.

For gods sake it only has ~600 hp and has relatively average pentration. What so the allies can't have any fucking effective tanks? The Jackson is a POS and the regular sherman is pretty meh. For a 9CP call in a ability on 2 commanders it's completely fine.

It comes out at 9 freaking command points and can easily be destroyed by a pak, panther, tiger, king tiger, combined arms ect.

For gods sake it only has ~600 hp and has relatively average pentration. What so the allies can't have any fucking effective tanks? The Jackson is a POS and the regular sherman is pretty meh. For a 9CP call in a ability on 2 commanders it's completely fine.

640 hp, same as most medium tanks.

Only on one commander which everyone has for a week so every Axis player is against it every game.

It costs the same as the M4C, and is extremely identical, but has drastically more armor. Thats the most logical reason people are confused on the price.
It is the only satisfactory American tank, and the stats are well deserved.

Hm. Lots of generalisations thrown about in this thread. Let's have an actual look shall we?

Easy8
Hitpoints: 640.0
Armor: 215.0
Rear armor: 95.0
Max speed: 6.1
Cost manpower: 380.0
Cost fuel: 135.0
Penetration: 175.0/165.0/155.0
Scatter angle: 5.0
Scatter distance: 5.4

A straight comparison to a normal sherman is not viable. The easy8 has significantly better armor, penetration and accuracy due to tighter scatter profile. It is, however, insignificantly slower.

I am not sure whether there is a "max ceiling" on penetration so that even a 100% by the numbers can glance off armor.

VS Panzer IV (Ostheer)
Both need four penetrating hits to destroy one another.
The Easy8 is significantly more accurate.
The PanzerIVs penetration chance: 55.8f, 51.1m, 46.5f
Easy8s Penetration chance: 100f, 100m, 96.8f

Conclusion: Due to significantly better accuracy and slightly better mobility of the easy8, it is doubtful whether even 2 PIV's will reliably win versus one easy8. They can win, but not reliably. A single p4 is not a threat. The guaranteed penetration of every easy8 shot even at far range is the deciding factor.

Vs Panther
The easy8 needs five penetrating hits to win, the Panther four.
The panthers accuracy is even worse than the pIVs, easy8 has a large advantage here.
Panther has better speed and acceleration, as well as better range.
The Panther is guaranteed a penetration at all ranges (100%).
The Easy8s penetration chance: 60.3n, 56.8m, 53.4f

Conclusion: The Panther definitely has the edge at all ranges. The one outlier is the Panthers fairly terribly accuracy and the extremely RNG based nature of armor penetration. Any shot from the panther that looks like a "glance" visually is probably a miss that deals only AOE damage (I.e insignificant). This means that with some luck the Easy8 can win vs the Panther, but definitely not reliably.

VS King Tiger
The only stats worth mentioning is Easy8 penetration vs KT front armor: 41,1n, 38.8m, 36.4f
and the fact that easy 8 dies to 3 hits (the KT penetrates 100% if it hits and has good acuracy) and the easy8 needs 8 penetrating hits.

Conclusion: In a straight out static slugfest even two Easy8s will not win barring good luck. If the KT is flanked and circled without support, it is dead.

Other points of interest:
- Pak40 is a reliably good counter due to high RoF and excellent penetration.
- The Raketenwerfer is, in theory, almost statistically identical to the pak40 in terms of damage, reload and penetration, lacking only 10 range (50 instead of 60).
- The Panzershreck suffers from bad accuracy, long reload, lower damage and penetration (needing six penetrating hits instead of four). it still has around 80-90% chance to penetrate the front armor.

Summary: The issues with the Easy8 is its spammability, early arrival, and efficiency against infantry. It is a later half-midgame tank that invalidates all axis medium armor. While the infantry based AT platforms are theoretically a good counter, the easy8s strength vs infantry make the Raketenwerfer and panzershreck extremely risky to use, often killed or forced to retreat after one shot. This is especially noticeable with the raketen vs the pak40, due to lower range, smaller firing angle and lack of cover by the gun.

Given the number of hits needed to destroy the easy8, it can easily deal with two raketenwerfers and a supporting shreck on its own. Even increasing the price of the Easy8 will only serve to allow 2-3 to appear by the time panthers (or a tiger) are on the field for both factions.

Suggestion: Slight price increase and slight decrease in AI capability.
Edit due to afterthought: These suggested small changes should probably only be a stopgap to some sort of change in the callin structure. It is the callin mechanic that allows "spam" of powerful doctrinal units in inappropriate timing windows. What exactly those changes should be is a discussion for another topic.

Note: I would strongly suggest that anyone posting about efficiency vs different targets or statistics actually check these and do the numbers. They are easily available on this site http://www.coh2-stats.com/ and a simple google search explains how to do the calculations.

Its too cost effective.Main problem is for OKW who are helpless vs spam of this unit.single shrecks are easy kited and blobs kept away by rifle blob.Puppchen is not good really due to its range..okw armor can't keep up withe the flood of these things.

Maybe we should just delete Rifle Company. Seeing as the only useful thing in it is the Easy-Eight since the Vet Riflemen for some nonsensical reason have a 80 second cooldown at the start of the game, which defeats the main point of their existence.

Seeing as everyone on this forum pretty much insists on bitching until every single useful American unit or commander is nerfed into the ground, I'm just going to suggest removing the commander and replacing him with something the German players that populate this forum wont constantly whine about.

I bet once when E8 is nerfed you'll start complaining about vanilla riflemen, too, huh? Or maybe how the AT Rifle Nade consistently causes engine damage? Actually, no, I bet it'll be Paratroopers - like anybody uses those useless fucks lol.

The E8 is fucking fine. It's the only American tank that can manfight another tank - when properly micor'd - is doctrinal, is very late game, and is not a cheap tank. It doesn't reliably penetrate the front armour of any heavy tanks(I don't know what shit you guys are fucking smoking, pass it over) and its performance against infantry is mediocre and only becomes decent with the .50cal upgrade, and is passed out by the vanilla Sherman using HE shells. The PzIV fills the same role as the E8 but costs less (350/125) so naturally it will get beaten, but can still win if mirco'd well enough.

The E8 is not penetrating too much. The E8 is not too cheap. The E8 is not doing too much damage. Try playing USF if everything about them is so fucking strong and get out of your comfort zone.

Dude, you sound like the people you're complaining about, stop. Nobody wants to see the American units and commanders being nerfed into the gound, I'd like to see what you're smoking.

Agree 100% @ Cyridius.