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24 Jun 2014, 17:10 PM
#21
avatar of Katitof

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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Jun 2014, 17:07 PMz871014
Maybe strum pio's assault rifle profile is not correct. To me, I see strum pio's range is long and medium and short though my infantry squad is in green cover.


Sturm pios are same as pgrens and pgrens are more effective then conscripts at long range.
24 Jun 2014, 17:16 PM
#22
avatar of Napalm

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It's the exact same profile as the Panzer Grenadier's MP44


Thanks. That confirms what I need to know. They are better at every single range by a considerable amount. Conscripts and rifle men ARE NOT a valid counter. Back to a dual sniper opening I guess.

24 Jun 2014, 17:17 PM
#23
avatar of Shell_yeah

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Deal with them like you deal with Assault Grenadiers. They're not even close to OP and their reinforce is 40mp. More than 2 will bleed your mp in first few minutes of the game
24 Jun 2014, 17:28 PM
#24
avatar of braciszek

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COVERCOVERCOVER
Riflemen fend off Sturmpioneers well when in green cover.
24 Jun 2014, 17:48 PM
#25
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Jun 2014, 17:16 PMNapalm


Thanks. That confirms what I need to know. They are better at every single range by a considerable amount. Conscripts and rifle men ARE NOT a valid counter. Back to a dual sniper opening I guess.



They are a valid counter at long range. Don't forget conscripts have 6 men and 6 weapons.
24 Jun 2014, 18:03 PM
#26
avatar of Kreatiir

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Can we wait a week before judging that "OKW is OP pls nerf"?


I didn't say that.
Read the topic before posting brainless shizzle.

Also, it's not about getting that right counter.
Everything has a counter. Even the Shocks before the patch.
It's about high DPS as first unit against the other factions first unit.

I love some of dem guys here not even reading that.

The internet..
24 Jun 2014, 18:08 PM
#27
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When i read the main post, i interpreted: "Sturmpioneers, arent OP, but they are pretty OP". You are inferring it too strongly to be able to deny it.
24 Jun 2014, 18:09 PM
#28
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It's great that sturmpios are so dangerous if you mis-micro against them. It makes the early game more interesting, pios vs engies is boring, fighting sturmpios is exciting.
24 Jun 2014, 18:15 PM
#29
avatar of Kreatiir

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When i read the main post, i interpreted: "Sturmpioneers, arent OP, but they are pretty OP". You are inferring it too strongly to be able to deny it.


Looks like your brain is damaged.
But I'll do my best to help you read the OP in a good way son.

Compare

= let's see one unit and let's see the others.

They should not outperform

Is that saying they are OP? No, in my opinion they should not outperform.

I understand the idea.

I'm saying Ok they are OP?

Make them upgradable

Not op either.

Brasziek ciao arrividerci bye <444>3
24 Jun 2014, 18:25 PM
#30
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Sturmpio's not OP, they are counterable ofcourse but I want to discuss something with the guys here who have big brains. OK, sure.

Compare Rear Echelon - Combat Pio's - Pio's - Sturmpio's.

First units should not outperform others in that way. So OP then, if it shouldnt do its role.
I understand the idea about having an elite faction, but not that early. Elite faction is elite and expensive. No exceptions. You hear Sturmpioneer and think badass pioneers, but get a wimpy four man team? Eh, no.
Make them upgradable, sure. More armor? sure. But early shocks is not good for balance imo. They are expensive. They dont have armor. They are four man. They dont throw grenades to give them any advantage, or smokes to avoid suppression.



Maybe use your whole post instead of nitpicking the information that suits you better?

Sounds like an overreaction to Sturmpioneers since you have to think differently. Having to counter Sturmpioneers different than any other engineering squad? Proposterous. -_-

(I edited the quote by adding stuff in and bolding if someone didnt see it the first time reading)
24 Jun 2014, 18:51 PM
#31
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Remember the fall out when Shocktroops were 1 CP? Did we learn any lessons from that? Apparently not. Even at long range the MP44 weapons profile has the advantage.

4.555729002 vs 4.825042368

This is not balanced. They are better at every range.
24 Jun 2014, 18:56 PM
#32
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Jun 2014, 18:51 PMNapalm
Remember the fall out when Shocktroops were 1 CP? Did we learn any lessons from that? Apparently not. Even at long range the MP44 weapons profile has the advantage.

4.555729002 vs 4.825042368

This is not balanced. They are better at every range.


Back then anything else the soviets made was trash. Now soviet infantry is much better to handle Expensive, Unarmored Four Man Squads. Wait, how much armor did shocks have back then, again?

I dont understand. Soviet combined arms used offensively is a pain to take care of. But... they are not allowed to use combined arms to defend themselves?
24 Jun 2014, 19:44 PM
#33
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Jun 2014, 18:51 PMNapalm
Remember the fall out when Shocktroops were 1 CP? Did we learn any lessons from that? Apparently not. Even at long range the MP44 weapons profile has the advantage.

4.555729002 vs 4.825042368

This is not balanced. They are better at every range.


Do you mean conscripts? even if its better at longer range you cannot ignore the difference in hp and cost. and 40 mp per man should do more damage then a 20 mp script.
24 Jun 2014, 19:51 PM
#34
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Jun 2014, 18:51 PMNapalm
Remember the fall out when Shocktroops were 1 CP? Did we learn any lessons from that? Apparently not. Even at long range the MP44 weapons profile has the advantage.

4.555729002 vs 4.825042368

This is not balanced. They are better at every range.


Sturmpios have the same profile but their curve is shifted down slightly. Also consider that Sturmpios have 320 hitpoints, conscripts have 480 hitpoints and riflemen have 400 hitpoints.



24 Jun 2014, 20:49 PM
#35
avatar of Kreatiir

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God Brasziek you're an annoying lad.
Even with all dem bolt fonts you're not making a statement that makes sense.
Never said there OP, live with it.

24 Jun 2014, 21:15 PM
#36
avatar of gokkel

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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Jun 2014, 18:51 PMNapalm
Remember the fall out when Shocktroops were 1 CP? Did we learn any lessons from that? Apparently not. Even at long range the MP44 weapons profile has the advantage.

4.555729002 vs 4.825042368

This is not balanced. They are better at every range.


The thing is Shocktroops were nearly invincible to early game units because of their high armor value, which is not the case for Sturmpioniere at all.
24 Jun 2014, 21:59 PM
#40
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If you want to say something, then say it. Dont be vague about it. I said, its easy to assume that you think Sturmpioneers are OP, and you wouldnt argue as much if you thought otherwise. Counter sturmpioneers like panzergrenadiers - you have access to their counters at the same time, but Sturmpioneers dont counter tanks. M3? Maxims? ...
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