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10 Jun 2014, 13:52 PM
#41
avatar of Thunderhun

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Here's another suggestion; (also could work with changed unit/teching prices) :)

- Having BP 4 up for German Heavies, BP 3 for other call-ins is viable and doesn't cost the players much fuel.
- Must have T3 or T4 built for Soviets before being able to call-in doctrinal armor.
- Each doctrinal armor should decrease the fuel income while it's on the field to prevent spam of call-ins, for example -50% while having a Tiger.

OR


- Hardcapp call-ins which is more sillier tbh, like how it was done in vCOH.
10 Jun 2014, 15:51 PM
#42
avatar of Jaigen

Posts: 1130

jump backJump back to quoted post10 Jun 2014, 13:33 PMKatitof


Thank you for confirming yet again that last time you've seen soviets up close was during intro.

KV-1 at its current stats can deal only with P4 and even that is fully RNG based. Or in other words, P4 have MORE chance to win against KV-1 frontally, then T34/76 have to win against P4.

KV-1 is a slow, not at all durable(nerfed HP by a HUGE amount, KV-1 have less hp them T34/85, increased AT on everything) tank with a gun that belongs to flanking vehicle, yet its unable to flank anything.

In its current state, KV-1 is reliable only against an Ostwind and nothing more, while T34/76 is a game against all tanks due to its speed, so think again before calling it superior.

Now, when it comes to all other call-ins that actually ARE effective, instead of increasing their CP, which will change nothing, increase their fuel price so they can't be spammed as easily and loosing one can actually be felt instead pumping one tiger after another.


Amazing how you can be wrong on so many issues with so few words.
10 Jun 2014, 15:59 PM
#43
avatar of Katitof

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jump backJump back to quoted post10 Jun 2014, 15:51 PMJaigen


Amazing how you can be wrong on so many issues with so few words.


Thank you for elaborating that so you can prove your point in the matter different then "because I said so".
Feel free to prove me wrong. You can use factual data and stats for a change.
11 Jun 2014, 14:21 PM
#44
avatar of Brick Top

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Kv1 is good for trolling grens seen as faust often bounces off the front.
11 Jun 2014, 14:40 PM
#45
avatar of Katitof

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Kv1 is good for trolling grens seen as faust often bounces off the front.


KV-8 is better at that.

KV-1 is pretty much useless for anything in the current state.
11 Jun 2014, 14:45 PM
#46
avatar of Burts

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T-34/76 is superior to the KV-1. And that actually makes sense. The reason why USSR stopped making KV-1s is because a KV-1 was more expensive and t-34/76 did everything that the kv-1 could do for cheaper.
11 Jun 2014, 15:08 PM
#47
avatar of JHeartless

Posts: 1637

jump backJump back to quoted post11 Jun 2014, 14:45 PMBurts
T-34/76 is superior to the KV-1. And that actually makes sense. The reason why USSR stopped making KV-1s is because a KV-1 was more expensive and t-34/76 did everything that the kv-1 could do for cheaper.


Yep but its selective balancing based off realism if you consider it that way. Hell off that logic the Stug should be one of the most feared AT units in the game!

If they want it to be worse (which it is in almost every sense except bouncing the occasional faust) then make it cheaper. Like you said.

I just dont think they thought it through when they redid the KV1.
11 Jun 2014, 22:45 PM
#48
avatar of wehrwolfzug

Posts: 126

I often use the kv1. It is not a super heavy call in. It is best used after you go tier 4 su85 . Use the kv1 to soak damage get line of sight on enemy armor. Use the su85 just behind the kv1. You also have the b4 to make up for the lack of damage output as well.

The only thing I hate about the kv1 is the super long repair times. You need about 4 engie squads to get it back online in decent time.
12 Jun 2014, 00:01 AM
#49
avatar of JHeartless

Posts: 1637

I often use the kv1. It is not a super heavy call in. It is best used after you go tier 4 su85 . Use the kv1 to soak damage get line of sight on enemy armor. Use the su85 just behind the kv1. You also have the b4 to make up for the lack of damage output as well.

The only thing I hate about the kv1 is the super long repair times. You need about 4 engie squads to get it back online in decent time.


Can do the same thing with a Advanced Warfare single T34/85 and Lend Lease Sherman. Both also come with script repair and one with a half track.

KV1 is nowhere near worth its cost. And for it being so slow it really should soak more damage then it does. It wasnt OP before the nerf so not sure why they nerfed it TBH.
12 Jun 2014, 03:10 AM
#50
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KV1 and KV8 are the about the only tanks that can, well, tank.


Everything else is too expensive or too fragile
12 Jun 2014, 03:43 AM
#51
avatar of vietnamabc

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Uhm u mean in the Soviet arsenal right? Cuz Tiger tanks pretty well.
12 Jun 2014, 05:21 AM
#52
avatar of Katitof

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KV1 and KV8 are the about the only tanks that can, well, tank.


Everything else is too expensive or too fragile


Given how almost everything have well over 50% to pen KV-1 and how it have less HP then T34/85?

I'd question your statement.

While its fine for KV-8, KV-1 is a paper with a pea shooter.

Slow, squishy tank with a gun made for flanking.
12 Jun 2014, 09:13 AM
#53
avatar of Jaigen

Posts: 1130

jump backJump back to quoted post12 Jun 2014, 05:21 AMKatitof


Given how almost everything have well over 50% to pen KV-1 and how it have less HP then T34/85?

I'd question your statement.

While its fine for KV-8, KV-1 is a paper with a pea shooter.

Slow, squishy tank with a gun made for flanking.


and 50% more armor then the t-34-85. Alos the t-34-85 is a bit to cost effective at the moment.
12 Jun 2014, 10:14 AM
#54
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jump backJump back to quoted post12 Jun 2014, 09:13 AMJaigen


and 50% more armor then the t-34-85. Alos the t-34-85 is a bit to cost effective at the moment.


KV-1 is just plain bad right now. The only thing it kinda does good against is PIV, anything else you'd actually be BETTER off with a T34/76.
12 Jun 2014, 12:16 PM
#55
avatar of Jaigen

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jump backJump back to quoted post12 Jun 2014, 10:14 AMCruzz


KV-1 is just plain bad right now. The only thing it kinda does good against is PIV, anything else you'd actually be BETTER off with a T34/76.


Compared to the t-34-85 it indeed is bad. The t-34 still has a decent change of losing to the p4. the kv1 will flat out steam roll it unless the p4 gets really lucky.
12 Jun 2014, 12:27 PM
#56
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jump backJump back to quoted post12 Jun 2014, 12:16 PMJaigen


Compared to the t-34-85 it indeed is bad. The t-34 still has a decent change of losing to the p4. the kv1 will flat out steam roll it unless the p4 gets really lucky.


No one compares it to 34/85.

Its bad compared to 34/76.

Cruzz said it there in its post and you still try some strawman argument.
12 Jun 2014, 14:34 PM
#57
avatar of JHeartless

Posts: 1637

KV1 OP PLZ NERF. It killed a Gren squad with its DSHK once....
12 Jun 2014, 15:23 PM
#58
avatar of Jaigen

Posts: 1130

jump backJump back to quoted post12 Jun 2014, 12:27 PMKatitof


No one compares it to 34/85.

Its bad compared to 34/76.

Cruzz said it there in its post and you still try some strawman argument.


You dont even know what a strawmen is . And dont bother looking it up now because you are already looking like an idiot.
12 Jun 2014, 15:31 PM
#59
avatar of Katitof

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Oh, nice, another attempt at discrediting me.

You've proven here that your posts bear no value and arguments hold no weight as they are completely detached from reality, so you're trying to take someone with you on your sinking ship?

I'm saying 'sinking ship' like that would mean you had any creditability before.

Spoiler alert.


You can't even make a good argument why KV-1 would be better then T34/76 and get a single person to back you up with it.

Why do you even try other then arguing for the sake of arguing?
12 Jun 2014, 15:46 PM
#60
avatar of Jaigen

Posts: 1130

jump backJump back to quoted post12 Jun 2014, 15:31 PMKatitof
Oh, nice, another attempt at discrediting me.

You've proven here that your posts bear no value and arguments hold no weight as they are completely detached from reality, so you're trying to take someone with you on your sinking ship?

I'm saying 'sinking ship' like that would mean you had any creditability before.

Spoiler alert.


You can't even make a good argument why KV-1 would be better then T34/76 and get a single person to back you up with it.

Why do you even try other then arguing for the sake of arguing?




Extra large because im laughing extra hard. I stated my opinion why i consider the kv1 better .what you make it of it is your own business
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