Lets talk Pgrens.
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Stop comparing Pgrens with Shocks. Every time you do, a part of your brain atrophies.
Strange, I only get this feeling when I'm reading your posts.
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Read this thread, stopped using pzgren, buyed G43 and a Pak, won 4 games in a row.
This is this the only thing I can really agree with in this thread. With Elite Troops, you can get G43 grens with stun nades that can almost completely fulfill the current role of PGrens for a fraction of the cost. Obviously this is more munition heavy, but I think the pay off for much less mp, and easier vet makes G43 grens almost always the better option.
Shrek PGrens are great though. They are vulnerable, but they can absolutely demolish armor, and they still have bundle nade and decent normal dps.
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Since the latest patch, Pgrens are considerably more fragile, and require the same cover micro as any other unit in the game. As with conscripts, grens, and penals, cover is supreme. Think of Pgrens like Penal troops with a potential for AT. With good support and shielding from Grens and a Halftrack, a Schrecked up Pgren squad can stay on the field longer than a tank.As stated before, the need for Pgrens is situational. If the enemy has invested heavily in AT guns, Pgrens will be much more survivable than a tank. If the Soviets have a lot of tanks, then you may be better off spending your MP on AT guns. HOWEVER, Pgrens eat SU76s, SU85s, and Katyushas for breakfast. One flank can totally ruin the day of any turretless tank destroyer or light vehicle.
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Bad luck for Pgrens, they get SGT44, but with fake bullets....
At least their bullets do not disappear 50cm after leaving the barrel of the gun *cough*PPSH*cough*
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At least their bullets do not disappear 50cm after leaving the barrel of the gun *cough*PPSH*cough*
Now this was a good one
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At least their bullets do not disappear 50cm after leaving the barrel of the gun *cough*PPSH*cough*
what they have guns? i was so sure they were swordsmen.
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Permanently BannedOr the soldiers are drunk, like the drivers of the tanks sometimes...
No license for tanks, no license for weapons, etc. wtf!
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I would like to see a small boost to Pgren survivability. Right now conscripts can pick them off from long range.
That's intended. Pgrens handily win at close range and mid range vs conscripts. Lose at long range.
when they are closing the distance
just like with shocks you have to use shot blockers or move from cover to cover to get in. You can't lol charge anymore like in previous patches. StG44s also have the best medium range (15) damage output and you only need to get to that range to start putting the hurt on squads.
The only "buff" I would give to pgrens is a cost reduction in build time and reinforcement.
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Permanently BannedIs a assault rifle, is a great ultimate weapon, look the ak47, in this days are still good...
I think the SGT44 in the game is joke!
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That's intended. Pgrens handily win at close range and mid range vs conscripts. Lose at long range.
just like with shocks you have to use shot blockers or move from cover to cover to get in. You can't lol charge anymore like in previous patches. StG44s also have the best medium range (15) damage output and you only need to get to that range to start putting the hurt on squads.
The only "buff" I would give to pgrens is a cost reduction in build time and reinforcement.
Well considering how much later PGs come, how much they cost vs conscripts that you get off the bat, and how losing 1 man in a PG squad = 25% less firepower, a slight armour increase is justified I think.
My only gripe with panzergrens atm is how frequently you have to send them back to heal and reinforce. Considering how expensive they are they should have more field presence than they do currently instead of having to resort to guerilla ambush tactics. Even in a straight on fight that the PG wins may still require you to send them back to base because of how much damage they took.
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