Honest opinions about Balance - Soviet adv

Jump back to quoted post17 Jun 2014, 17:00 PMausterlitz

When i meant tank i meant tanks that can do anti armor duty as well....not support vehicles.Ones u can use as ur frontline armoured unit.

Thats t-34/85,M4C sherman,kv-2,is-2,kv-1.
Among these only kv-1 is useless,kv-2 is not as useful as the others.
Is-2 is hardly useless ,can beat every ostheer tank other than tiger and with coming buff even that possibly.

As for ostheer only option is tiger.Puma is not a tank and not a serious lategame option.

''due to the nature of Ostheer, call ins are supplement to your army, not replacing them like Soviet so Ostheer is more flexible when it comes to commander choice''

Well thats no longer the case.There is no real ostheer stock armor to supplement...pz 4 has drunk gunner and panther is inaccesible.So right now ostheer just as dependant on call ins.If only panther was usable pricewise then this point wold be valid.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jun 2014, 04:48 AMvietnamabc

Uhm Stug has been buffed greatly, PzIV is only poor vs inf without the MG upgrade, T-34/76 is only good when RNG is on your side, some times it wipe a Pak in 2 shot, other times it fail to kill a pio squad. And Ostheer no longer goes T4, so what's the point of Soviet goes T4 also? SU-85 only exists to kill Panther and Tiger, for everything else T-34/76 is better.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jun 2014, 08:45 AMbogeuh

really, T34/76 slightly better than P4?

germans have all the advatantages in AT and tanks
and it has been like that since forever

Jump back to quoted post18 Jun 2014, 09:15 AM__deleted__

Dunno, didn't have to much problems while using P4s. T34/76 is a good medium now, no doubt about it, has speed, damage and used against P4 in close range is quite good, but I wouldn't say it's superior. Of course, P4 should not be used in speed close up attacks. That is something T34 is good at. P4 should be used mostly from distance and not verry agressively. In fact, entire german faction must be used in a moderate way (moderate attacks) - not verry offensive - until you have Tigers. You just have to be patient while successfuly repelling soviet incursions and pushes, inflicting as much casualities as you can.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jun 2014, 09:45 AMskemshead

You may change you opinion once the inevitable nerf to the tiger comes.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jun 2014, 09:45 AMskemshead

You may change you opinion once the inevitable nerf to the tiger comes.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jun 2014, 08:50 AMJaigen

Welcome to the new patch. t-34 does just as much damage as the p4 now. no problem but the p4 still suffers from the fact that its gunner is drunk and has an annoying tendency to miss

Jump back to quoted post18 Jun 2014, 11:39 AMKatitof

@bogeuh
In case of some people, the biggest balance problem is located somewhere between chair and keyboard, you need to learn to tell which people make that group.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jun 2014, 13:03 PMJaigen

And some people are acting like idiotic fanboys with idiotic strawmen arguments. I never once said armor or penetration is an issue. I said that the p4 has some difficulty hitting the target because of its obscene high scatter which allows the t-34 to win against the p4 if the rng god is not in your favor all the wile the p4 is completely crap vs infantry.

Yesterday i managed to faust a t-34 and drove a p4 behind the t-34 . the p4 nearly lost because he missed 3 shots. RNG god was not in my favor but the points stand.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jun 2014, 11:24 AMbogeuh

	p4	34/76
armor-front	180	150
armor-rear	90	75
dmg	160	160
reload	5.3-5.7	6.2-6.8
penetration	110	100

Jump back to quoted post18 Jun 2014, 13:53 PMcoh2player

The Stugs are very cost effective. 3 stugs > 2 panzer IVs in most situations.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jun 2014, 13:08 PMIpKaiFung

The scatter stat only comes into play when it's ballistic weapon vs infantry. The accuracy stat is the deciding factor in vehicle vs vehicle fights.

You must also keep in mind that vehicle needs to be at a complete standstill otherwise the x0.5 accuracy modifier is applied.

Head to head the P4 will win most engagements vs the T-34/76 due to better armour and a better rate of fire on the main gun.