like the title said, sU-85 deserves some anti infantry buff, if soviet goes t4 and build SU-85, it is competely anti armor unit, has almost zero anti infantry damage, which makes this unit quite less cost efficient, on the other hand, all german tier building tank has both acceptable AT and AI ability, given the fact that soviet is almost impossible transit from T4 to T4 in this patch in 1v1, su-85 deserves some AI buff for its cost, stug is way too cost efficient, its AI and AT both are too good, su-85 just under-performed given the fact of its cost.that is reason why many soviet players would like to save the fuel for IS2 rather than building T4.
It should have AI damage like T34-85, it has its weakness, it just a assault gun, no turrent,, easy to be flank and weak to AT gun,
SU85 derserves some AI ability
3 May 2014, 22:35 PM
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3 May 2014, 22:42 PM
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while the Su-85 can already luckily snipe an infantry or 2 (once 3!), i'd rather it be good only vs Tanks at this stage. If anything the Su-76 is there to snipe infantry, although it still isn't accurate/reliable enough to do so.
Su85 is meant to be hard countered by panzergrenadiers as well, as a tank destroyer it needs to be supported by anti-infantry units (e.g. HMG) to survive.
Su85 is meant to be hard countered by panzergrenadiers as well, as a tank destroyer it needs to be supported by anti-infantry units (e.g. HMG) to survive.
3 May 2014, 22:52 PM
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The whole idea if you go T4 is to either rely in T1/2 anti if power and or bolster with a doctrine, Shocks, KV8, incendiary arty, IS2 etc.
Su85 is cheap and powerful against tanks. And don't forget Katushkas.
Su85 is cheap and powerful against tanks. And don't forget Katushkas.
3 May 2014, 23:00 PM
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while the german can have two stugs, can both support infantry and tank battle, it can kill infantry and tank quite effectively, and soviet just have one su-85 can kill infantry depends on luck, in one match, my su-85 have zero infantry kill and the other got 12 kills, the relic idea's reduce stug cost and health but increase its AI and AT, okay, do that with su-85 as well, because, you get a Katushkas or su-76 as a choice, you wont get su-85, makes you almost impossible against german armor if you go T1
3 May 2014, 23:20 PM
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i say increase su-76 ai and keep su-85 where it is.
4 May 2014, 00:15 AM
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i rather have su76 more like stug and have its barrage ability changed to more like 82mm precision strike with hang time, etc... I hate relying on ability to access anti infantry power of su76 then wait more than a minute while su76 becomes more or less of a micro drain. it also takes only two hits most of the time before death, which makes it really hard to use in a tight game.
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4 May 2014, 00:22 AM
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hah, buff SU-85
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pretty much this, stug is more of infantry supporter than tank killer, SU-85 is specialized , long range tanky destroyer, it shouldnt be taclking troops now aswel. And if u go t4 u should choose doctrine to support ur TD(guards,shocks,ppsh,htd etc.) instead of going well, more armor or whatever
The whole idea if you go T4 is to either rely in T1/2 anti if power and or bolster with a doctrine, Shocks, KV8, incendiary arty, IS2 etc.
Su85 is cheap and powerful against tanks. And don't forget Katushkas.
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pretty much this, stug is more of infantry supporter than tank killer, SU-85 is specialized , long range tanky destroyer, it shouldnt be taclking troops now aswel. And if u go t4 u should choose doctrine to support ur TD(guards,shocks,ppsh,htd etc.) instead of going well, more armor or whatever
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4 May 2014, 00:24 AM
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If you were to buff the AI you would have to nerf the AT. It doesnt really need AI imo. What would be better is swapping T70 and SU-76 around, so that you get light at in T3 and some anti infantry / scout tank in T4.
4 May 2014, 00:25 AM
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SU-85 is fine IMO.
4 May 2014, 12:49 PM
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If you were to buff the AI you would have to nerf the AT. It doesnt really need AI imo. What would be better is swapping T70 and SU-76 around, so that you get light at in T3 and some anti infantry / scout tank in T4.
+1 though this has been mentioned so many times its not going to happen.
4 May 2014, 13:29 PM
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Great, make another ISU, call it SU85.
4 May 2014, 15:37 PM
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^Lmao
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4 May 2014, 17:55 PM
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SU-85 is just fine. In 1v1 I always go for T4 + guards. Pz 4 is no threat to me then. But still.. Yesterday I bring SU-85 and it just stood, nothing more cause german player didn't bring on PZ 4.
While that it was shooting inf all the time. Result? 1 unit killed
That is just funny how such big gun can't kill inf but I'm ok with that cause I undersatnd its destiny.
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Maybe I'm noob in T4 but brining on SU-76 is for me complety
incomprehensible. I can't see SU-76 fighing PZ 4.. I mean it can be very helpful against inf but by the time PZ 4 comes, HIDE!
While that it was shooting inf all the time. Result? 1 unit killed
That is just funny how such big gun can't kill inf but I'm ok with that cause I undersatnd its destiny.
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Maybe I'm noob in T4 but brining on SU-76 is for me complety
incomprehensible. I can't see SU-76 fighing PZ 4.. I mean it can be very helpful against inf but by the time PZ 4 comes, HIDE!
4 May 2014, 18:25 PM
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Permanently Bannedtotally i agree, su85 should be like a mini ISU 
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4 May 2014, 21:33 PM
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As a born again Soviet fanboy, I disagree...
4 May 2014, 22:02 PM
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Didn't op posted this thread on official forums as well?
Anyway no, SU-85 doesn't need more AI.
If anything StuG III needs a bit less.
Anyway no, SU-85 doesn't need more AI.
If anything StuG III needs a bit less.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
4 May 2014, 22:45 PM
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That is just funny how such big gun can't kill inf!
Its about accuracy. You would not be able to swot a fly with a broad sword. Just like you can't hit infantry with a 85mm gun.
4 May 2014, 23:36 PM
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And that is all it had.
Never had any MGs at all
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6 May 2014, 10:31 AM
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Maybe if you traded the zoom ability for a crew member peaking out the hatch with a PPSh
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6 May 2014, 11:00 AM
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There are a ton of doctrinal and non doctrinal ways to deal with infantry, there's absolutely no need for an AI buff to the SU-85.
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