ISU-152

Jump back to quoted post12 May 2014, 21:54 PMOZtheWiZARD

What I disagree however is the statement that only ISU should be adjusted and there is nothing wrong in Elephant prised by some of the more vocal German supporters on this forum.

Jump back to quoted post13 May 2014, 13:42 PMThoseDeafMutes

If we Nerf the ISU like it deserves, we will have to think carefully about what the Elefant will be like in games. If we get ISU range adjustments then we should rightfully reduce Elefant range - they're basically a package deal there. But if we keep ISU range and just reduce it's damage profile a bit to reduce the probability of one shotting squads, I'm not sure the Elefant would need any adjustment to compensate. The ISU would still be an extremely powerful and long range tool useful against all enemy unit types.

Jump back to quoted post13 May 2014, 13:49 PMThoseDeafMutes

As condescending as people can get about that yes, the game isn't supposed to only be balanced for the minority of top tier players. By definition most of the people who ever play (and purchase) the game are going to be low or mid tier.

Jump back to quoted post13 May 2014, 14:33 PMNeo

Rank is not very important to understanding balance. Someone can have poor micro but understand the game well.

What is impossible is to form a balanced perspective of units if you never actually use them yourself and/or never play against them. Someone with 4 games as Soviet has no business talking about balance.

What's more, a lot of these fanboys for both factions say stuff like "When I play X faction, I don't feel Y unit is OP" whereas in fact they almost never play that faction at all.

When confronted with the fact that they have no experience of what they're talking about, they hide behind statements like "Even if i had ZERO soviet games I would still know the faction from the opponent posture." which anyone who has ever played both factions equally knows to be a false argument.

Anyway, clearly forums will always have fanboys and I'm glad that they're now starting to self-identify as fanboys so we can all tell the difference between them and objective posters.

Jump back to quoted post13 May 2014, 14:46 PM__deleted__

All you write is soviet bias

Jump back to quoted post13 May 2014, 13:42 PMThoseDeafMutes

You also have people on this page saying that they are equally OP which I find very disagreeable. If we Nerf the ISU like it deserves, we will have to think carefully about what the Elefant will be like in games. If we get ISU range adjustments then we should rightfully reduce Elefant range - they're basically a package deal there. But if we keep ISU range and just reduce it's damage profile a bit to reduce the probability of one shotting squads, I'm not sure the Elefant would need any adjustment to compensate. The ISU would still be an extremely powerful and long range tool useful against all enemy unit types.

Sweeping proposals like adding lockdown abilities, reducing range, increasing scatter, reducing damage of the Ele all going in one big patch are something I vehemently oppose because of how unpredictable it will be on the landscape of the game. We do want to change the 2v2 meta by making alternate strategies more viable. But we have to be careful not to rock the boat too much without thorough testing.,

Jump back to quoted post13 May 2014, 15:06 PMNeo

My suggestions for this patch are to nerf ISU, nerf Elephant and nerf Soviet mine damage.

The only thing I care about is balance for both sides (since I play both).

The fact is that ISU is currently by far and away the most OP unit in the game. There is no discussion about that.

The issue for me that once ISU gets rightly nerfed, Elephant will go back to be the uncounterable unit it always was and this would also be unacceptable in terms of balance.

Jump back to quoted post13 May 2014, 19:04 PMKronosaur0s

Who counters Elefant with ISU? WTF? against a competent player? he would crush you, no doubt.

Jump back to quoted post13 May 2014, 19:24 PMDavidKh

P4's can't damage ISU anymore ))) that's so funny after patch...

Jump back to quoted post13 May 2014, 19:11 PMNeo

The Elephant has no counter.

That said, a doctrine with Guards (button) + IL2 bomb strike + a unit with the same range as Elephant that can stun the crew is as close as you'll get to being able to counter the Elephant.

Jump back to quoted post13 May 2014, 15:06 PMNeo

The fact is that ISU is currently by far and away the most OP unit in the game. There is no discussion about that.

The issue for me that once ISU gets rightly nerfed, Elephant will go back to be the uncounterable unit it always was and this would also be unacceptable in terms of balance.

Jump back to quoted post14 May 2014, 12:59 PMluvnest

I don't mind the ISU 152 to be honest, but beeing able to one-shot squads aswell as two hit tanks from a distance is just stupid. It should be either/or. At least the Elephant excells in the anti tank role, but not at both.

Jump back to quoted post14 May 2014, 12:59 PMluvnest

I don't mind the ISU 152 to be honest, but beeing able to one-shot squads aswell as two hit tanks from a distance is just stupid. It should be either/or. At least the Elephant excells in the anti tank role, but not at both.

Jump back to quoted post14 May 2014, 13:32 PM__deleted__

...and that is why for ISU alot of people agree that it needs nerfing while for Elefant manny of them don't. Which is perfectly logical.

Jump back to quoted post14 May 2014, 13:07 PMKatitof

The funny thing is, no one ever asked about ISU AT buffs.