ISU-152
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LOL look at these arm chair generals marvaling at the technical/military prowess of Germany
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Dude , Stalingrad was not even the strategic objective when case blue started let alone vital for victory.
How could it not be vital? it was an huge industrial city, it had stalins name so it would have been a huge propaganda win, it was a THE city to capture have if they wanted to create a defensive line at volga river which would have let germany get oil independent while denying soviet their own oil. Also Huge soviet supply lines came through volga.
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+1 Like a thousand times.
The fighting spirit of the German army was incredible along with its technological advancement in almost every area compared to the rest of the world. The most amazing part this was this was a country that was totally broken and poor just little over a decade earlier.
The fighting spirit of the NSDAP you mean...?
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The fighting spirit of the NSDAP you mean...?
yeah
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I've heard it argued that if Hitler hadn't been indecisive during the initial phase of the push into Russia, the Red Army may have been smashed for good. What does this have to do with the ISU?
Something to do with how good or bad Russian armour was in WW2 and whether the ISU could hit German armour with accuracy and essentially destroy the tank with 1 HE round and if that should be reflected in the game.
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I've heard it argued that if Hitler hadn't been indecisive during the initial phase of the push into Russia, the Red Army may have been smashed for good. What does this have to do with the ISU?
+1
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So do not select your doctrine if you see 1: the soviets having this doctrine 2: this map is large and open 3: you are sure he picked the doctrine as most soviet player do not use the isu-152 if you have the panzer jeager commander.
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If germans took stalingrad, the oil reserves in Caucasus would be lost.
No oil= no fuel = no tanks = LOSE.
Order 227 simply wasn't just because LOL lets kill traitors.
Soviets simply could not lose stalingrad.
If they lost it, it would mean goodbye for the Soviet Union . Stalin understood that. Hence order 227.
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This shoutcast shows just how justified this thread is.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkNNpe5UO1MYou are missing the point. Germans have to go Elefant to not lose. All I saw in that video were horribly microed T-34/85s rushing over the river and getting stuck. And god forbid that the Elefant beats the ISU! The ISU only has superb anti infantry capabilities while also being good versus armor, while the Elefant only excels at anti-tank, guess who should win.
This shoutcast shows just how justified this thread is.
The problem is if the Germans don´t go for Elefant, they usually have lost. And that´s super boring. There are people who play for fun, not to win. And going Elefant every game isn´t fun.
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How could it not be vital? it was an huge industrial city, it had stalins name so it would have been a huge propaganda win, it was a THE city to capture have if they wanted to create a defensive line at volga river which would have let germany get oil independent while denying soviet their own oil. Also Huge soviet supply lines came through volga.
The main objective of operation Case Blue was Caucasus and all of its oil.
Stalingrad was second objective.
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Stalingrad was an incredibly important city for the soviets.
If germans took stalingrad, the oil reserves in Caucasus would be lost.
No oil= no fuel = no tanks = LOSE.
Order 227 simply wasn't just because LOL lets kill traitors.
Soviets simply could not lose stalingrad.
If they lost it, it would mean goodbye for the Soviet Union . Stalin understood that. Hence order 227.
You mean the Volga river. When the Germans where in the city Stalingrad had very little economic worth to the Germans or soviets. While Stalingrad was a very good position to cut the volga of it could be done at any point of the river.
Also while the 6th army was in Stalingrad the germans assaulted the Caucasus. Operation Uranus was their to destroy the 6th army that guarded the flank of the Caucasus offensive but the city itself was worthless.
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The fighting spirit of the NSDAP you mean...?
You obviously don't know the German people or their Prussian values.
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