Should the T-34/85 be available without a doctrine?
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Normally when I have the elefant rammed, I try to reverse it to safe spot and repair it ofc, but then, I've lost so much terrain... or the russians make some kind of IL-2 or the Howitzer , or the Kats dont let you repair it.. in other words, if the heavy gets rammed and it penetrates, its USUALLY(not always) gg.
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I dont play 1v1, just to make it clear.
Normally when I have the elefant rammed, I try to reverse it to safe spot and repair it ofc, but then, I've lost so much terrain... or the russians make some kind of IL-2 or the Howitzer , or the Kats dont let you repair it.. in other words, if the heavy gets rammed and it penetrates, its USUALLY(not always) gg.
Yes, this is exactly how to beat elephants in team games. One ram + constant artillery pressure (does not have to be heavy). Extremely boring to play against and to attempt to do.
Also in team games its a good idea to have someone get a bunch of bulletins for the T34 so you can up its speed and penetration chance.
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T-34/76 and t-34/85 are two diferent tanks.
If you can convert one into another then i also want to be able to convert my tigers into panthers, and my stugs into elephants.
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T-34/76 and t-34/85 are two diferent tanks.
If you can convert one into another then i also want to be able to convert my tigers into panthers, and my stugs into elephants.
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Actually the t34/85 and t34/76 were 2 different tanks the 85 had a larger turret ring to fit the bigger turret.
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Actually the t34/85 and t34/76 were 2 different tanks the 85 had a larger turret ring to fit the bigger turret.
I know that, but you cannot compare it to converting a Tiger into a panther because they are completely different or a stug into an elephant.
Stug is based on a Panzer III, Elephant based on a Tiger prototype.
Within the limits of the game upgrading a T-34/76 into an 85 isn't that far fetched. Upgrading a Stug into an Elephant makes 0 sense. It would be closer to upgrade a Tiger (all be it the wrong version) into an Elephant.
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Back on topic I don't see this happening ever, relic is pretty stubborn on not implementing drastic changed like this. At the very least relic should change the double call-in on the t34/85 to a single call in like on the advance warfare tactics commander and adjust the price accordenly and maybe push it back 1 cp to compensate it to allow the Germans to prepare for a potential t34/85 - su85 combo.
When AW first came out I think it worked really well, single T34 and being able to get T4 / SU-85. They work well together and help a great deal vs Axis armour.
What about it still being part of a commander, but it replaces T-34/76 with a T-34/85 in the T3 building, but adjust costs to compensate?
Edit: Actually wasn't in that way in the Beta.
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When AW first came out I think it worked really well, single T34 and being able to get T4 / SU-85. They work well together and help a great deal vs Axis armour.
What about it still being part of a commander, but it replaces T-34/76 with a T-34/85 in the T3 building, but adjust costs to compensate?
I assure you I agree it should be with a building, but with relics current track record it might not happen, I just propose another option in case it will not. Also a change to the t34/85 will hopefully breath new like to the German t4 which is really good, but unfortunatly not very practical in 1v1.
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I know Relic wants call-in tanks to supplement your core army, but aside from the german command tank (which is available at 8CP), every other call-in tank is heavy. The T34/85 is a medium tank that will lose to most things when it becomes available.
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T-34/76 should of been the doctrinal tank.
Either that or t-34/85 should replace the t-34/76 in the T3 building.
I honestly don't understand this game...
44 ostwinds were built, yet they are non doctrinal, a few hundred brummbaars were built.
22000 t-34/85s were built during the war.
Yet they are doctrinal and are available only in 3 doctrines.
1300 tigers were built , yet they are present in nearly 1/2 of all german doctrines.
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the t-34/85 should of been in T3.
T-34/76 should of been the doctrinal tank.
Either that or t-34/85 should replace the t-34/76 in the T3 building.
I honestly don't understand this game...
44 ostwinds were built, yet they are non doctrinal, a few hundred brummbaars were built.
22000 t-34/85s were built during the war.
Yet they are doctrinal and are available only in 3 doctrines.
1300 tigers were built , yet they are present in nearly 1/2 of all german doctrines.
Relic is trying a comedy approach to WW2, please bear with them while they're hard at work to make you actually laugh about the punch lines.
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Ram needs to go, at the very least so we don't have everyone complaining about their shiny uncounterable elefant being countered...
Because clicking a button and praying to RNG God is a proper counter, ofc.
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the t-34/85 should of been in T3.
T-34/76 should of been the doctrinal tank.
Either that or t-34/85 should replace the t-34/76 in the T3 building.
I honestly don't understand this game...
44 ostwinds were built, yet they are non doctrinal, a few hundred brummbaars were built.
22000 t-34/85s were built during the war.
Yet they are doctrinal and are available only in 3 doctrines.
1300 tigers were built , yet they are present in nearly 1/2 of all german doctrines.
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T34/76 was the main battle tank for the red army during late 1943. T34/85 was only given to Guards Elite battalion and later stages of the war it was a standard issue to newly form battalion or replacement battalions.Even till the end of the war, T34/76 was still largely in the red army armor formation.
In parts of historical accuracy, Relic got that one right but for the soviet tank vs german tank ratio, they got it wrong.
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I do agree ostwinds should not be non-doctrinal vehicle. Either replace it with wirbelwind or just give germans to build static 3.7cm flakgun like vCOH.
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Because clicking a button and praying to RNG God is a proper counter, ofc.
I derped out on my response.
Ram is rubbish. Plain and simple. Get rid of it. My point also was that I'm sick of ram being held up as an example of how Soviets have it easy.
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T34/76 was the main battle tank for the red army during late 1943. T34/85 was only given to Guards Elite battalion and later stages of the war it was a standard issue to newly form battalion or replacement battalions.Even till the end of the war, T34/76 was still largely in the red army armor formation.
In parts of historical accuracy, Relic got that one right but for the soviet tank vs german tank ratio, they got it wrong.
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I do agree ostwinds should not be non-doctrinal vehicle. Either replace it with wirbelwind or just give germans to build static 3.7cm flakgun like vCOH.
Yes, i do know that t-34/76 was still used extensively until the end of the war and that the t-34/85 did not completely replace it.
However, unlike the t-34/85 (which actually feels like a tank in game), the t-34/76 doesn't even feel like a tank in game. It can't do reliable damage againt's anything. It can barely dent tanks,and its "decent againts infantry". I don't like that. the t-34 is used as a battering ram. I hate that.
That said, i heard the t-34/76 is getting a considerable buff but also a cost increase next patch, which sounds very good indeed.
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"Mimimimimimi, why is Ostwind with 88 vehicles built non - doctrinal??"
FFS people, this is supposed to be an atleast semi - competetive RTS set in WW2, not an accurate history simulation.
If you want to talk about history, make a whole forum section about it.
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