Rifle Grenades

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2014, 15:38 PMNeo

Given the Maxim's arc of fire, I don't think you could credibly argue that an unsupported Maxim would be very strong if suppressed Grenadiers couldn't use rifle grenades: a Maxim is extremely vulnerable even to such a "potent" combination as 2 Pioneer squads with *minimum* micro.

The MG42 has a massive advantage as a "leave and forget" type of MG anyway.

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2014, 14:33 PMPuppetmaster

I think a lot of people are missing the point. For a conscript to use a molotov on an MG42, it has to run in close and due the massive arc of the MG42, there is a high chance they will get suppressed. For a grenadier to use a rifle grenade, it can still fire it far away (may still be in cover) but even if not, the arc of the Maxim is tiny and so the is a much less risk of becoming suppressed. If you stop them both using them while suppressed, the conscript will be pretty screwed where as the grenadier is all fine and dandy. If you were to introduce the suppression rule without changing the rifle grenade, it would make it even further away from the molotov than it is now.

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2014, 17:56 PMJaigen

The arc of the maxim is not tiny. the arch of the mg42 is just overkill and for the most part useless. currently oorah and molotov is sufficient to remove a mg42 from the front as the mg42 has extremely poor suppression..

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2014, 17:53 PMspajn

Imo they should do better target reading on the actual rifle nade.. and molotovs and all grenades. They can be really hard to see with the eye sometimes.. coh1 had this smoke trail on grenades... put that into coh2 would improve a lot of things.

Nerf to riflenade im all for if they would nerf the molotov insta kill crit and able to throw under suppression.

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2014, 17:29 PMNapalm

After getting a couple Maxim and Mortars one shotted with the rifle grenade it feels an awful lot like the previous precision strike ability. Something needs to change to reduce this.

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2014, 18:05 PMZupadupadude

But grenades already have that....?

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2014, 19:31 PMspajn

not visable enough.. you should be able to spot the grenade in blizzard and things moving around..

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2014, 19:31 PMspajn

not visable enough.. you should be able to spot the grenade in blizzard and things moving around..

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2014, 15:08 PMWiFiDi

slightly off topic:
imo molotov range i think needs a slight buff

on topic:
the trouble is when you do this you make make unsupported mgs very very strong.

Jump back to quoted post2 Apr 2014, 23:57 PMHambone

I'm all for the standard CoH2 range-scaling scatter being applied to rifle grenades. Perfect shots near minimum range, but some deviation at max range.

The chance to not land a guaranteed perfect hit at max range will do a lot. It will let the german player decide to take the shot now or get a wee bit closer if able. It will be less punishing for the soviet player when cover behavior makes units clump. It will ultimately make rifle grenades less guaranteed and less munition efficient, all with minimal impact on rifle grenade performance versus buildings.

I think skilled german players would find this a more reasonable tradeoff to the flat out nerf it is probably destined to receive.

Jump back to quoted post3 Apr 2014, 00:55 AMPorygon

lol, more RNG
Your suggestion just making riflenade useless.

Inactivate lolotov and riflenade while suppressed are fine to me.