Nothing wrong here.
On the first scenario it "could" had died. But in a general aspect the 222 is on a fine spot. Maybe a bit on the good side, but i prefer it on this way rather being useless.
Satchel case: if only 1 bullet hit it, it should had died, unless crit with engine, another crit to heavy engine, and abandon XD.
On an unrelated note, satchels can´t 1 shot Howitzers, in case anyone wants to try. They survive with like 2% of health.
Is this 222 balanced (see video)?
1 Apr 2014, 20:56 PM
#21
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My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
1 Apr 2014, 21:16 PM
#22
15 
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it
is
not
a
fucking
tank
is
not
a
fucking
tank
1 Apr 2014, 22:33 PM
#23
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Last thread people disagreed about the soviet scout car, but I don't think we can disagree about the german scout car 221/222 being too strong. Here are 2 examples from one game showing how strong the 222 has become after the patch:
Note how the first 222 gets fired at from 2 mg bunkers and 2 panels (from the back) plus other units and still makes it out.
The second example is crazy, the 222 survives a satchel bomb. I dont know if this is rng or what?
I think its in a good spot. This patch really forces conscripts into a support role. I see people building only Penals, but then you deny yourself AT nades. I think 1-2 conscripts to protect yourself from vehicle rushes, especially if your going snipers, is still essential.
1 Apr 2014, 23:24 PM
#24
Posts: 419
It took a few rifle shots from 2 squads on the move, (not all entities firing), a burst from the bunker and it was near death. All without any anti tank attacks. What saved it was player micro. Turning around the bushes to get cover from fire and then retreating is why it lived.
Wow I love seeing the satchel blow up the penals. Always felt cheated when they threw it then ran right through it untouched while killing 2 to 3 squads of my army.
Wow I love seeing the satchel blow up the penals. Always felt cheated when they threw it then ran right through it untouched while killing 2 to 3 squads of my army.
1 Apr 2014, 23:31 PM
#25
Posts: 170
1st video: Scout cars should punish snipers + penal only army... 1 con with at grenades would have stop that
2nd video: Thats pretty bullshit and not because the 222 is not balanced but how vehicule crits are fucked right now... it seems that if u deal a crit with a "killing blow" u wont actually kill it but inflic the crit instead...
2nd video: Thats pretty bullshit and not because the 222 is not balanced but how vehicule crits are fucked right now... it seems that if u deal a crit with a "killing blow" u wont actually kill it but inflic the crit instead...
1 Apr 2014, 23:53 PM
#26
Posts: 4928
2nd video: Thats pretty bullshit and not because the 222 is not balanced but how vehicule crits are fucked right now... it seems that if u deal a crit with a "killing blow" u wont actually kill it but inflic the crit instead...
Death is a crit in this game, if the blow doesn't roll a death-crit, the unit will not die. Health only serves to determine what crits you get. Usually health damage, at very low health the crit rate increases, and at 0 health there's an extremely high chance of death crit, low chance to decrew, and low chance for any other crit.
You should have been here in CoH1 when there was small chance for no crit at 0 health, that was funny (and frustrating) stuff! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnHfG6jYjpM
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2 Apr 2014, 01:58 AM
#27
Posts: 1595 | Subs: 2
it
is
not
a
fucking
tank
is it though? in can now withstand a A/T gun shot and sponge up damage from Guards.
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2 Apr 2014, 02:06 AM
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One mine can do the job easier and cleaner.
2 Apr 2014, 02:10 AM
#29
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Bank my opening game on a mine? Wonderful idea.
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2 Apr 2014, 03:31 AM
#30
Posts: 2779
Bank my opening game on a mine? Wonderful idea.
Mine can even one shot vet 3 222.
2 Apr 2014, 04:03 AM
#31
Posts: 4928
Bank my opening game on a mine? Wonderful idea.
Well if you're not skilled enough to deal with it any other way, I guess you have to.
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2 Apr 2014, 04:16 AM
#32
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No doubt mate, no doubt.
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2 Apr 2014, 04:19 AM
#33
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is it though? in can now withstand a A/T gun shot and sponge up damage from Guards.
the m3 can survive an AT gun shot too...
and by "sponge" you mean survive for 4 seconds? because thats how long it takes for 2 ptrs to take it down.
and guards/zis come out before the 222, unlike the pak
2 Apr 2014, 04:28 AM
#34
Posts: 1820 | Subs: 2
222 can finally hunt snipers and still survive. I think 222 is balanced and its the players who can't deal with it properly, no support on units etc.
2 Apr 2014, 04:48 AM
#35
Posts: 644
I see people building only Penals, but then you deny yourself AT nades.
that's not a big loss, because AT nades are terrible.
- range too short
- requires cons to get out of cover and oohrah -> extra ammo cost
- german T2 can easily kite them (even oohrah)
- reflects on all vehicles where it would be sure hit (tanks)
- vs. infantry: cons die to everything
compare to guards:
- long range
- considerable damage even vs. tanks
- can lockdown
- vs infantry: are "wasting those motherfuckers"
5 OP OH tanks in front of your base
blow one up, slap it around
7 OP OH tanks in front of your base
blow one up, slap it around
7 OP OH tanks in front of your base
2 Apr 2014, 05:27 AM
#36
Posts: 896
yep. you showed a video of an m3 being played as badly as possible in your other thread. this 222 wasnt played much better, but he did actually attempt to get away. kind of hard for your unit to survive if you dont even try.
Did you read the post below from that thread?
The M3 armor was nerfed while one of it's main targets (the pioneers) damage was increased. That is what's making the M3 underperform. The video examples illustrate this clearly.
Now without pointing fingers on anyone, saying those videos are stupid is frankly a stupid thing to say. Their purpose is to isolate the unit in a favorable or unfavorable situation and test it's ability.
To think I will use it exactly the same way in the video is wrong.
besides, theres a reason why one is called a scout car and the other is an armored car. one can be built as your very first unit, the other takes quite a few minutes. germans have no hard counters for the m3 when it shows up, soviets can have guards and zis before the 222 hits the field. which one should be stronger?
And that is why it's cost should reflect that. As people are implying, teching costs should be reflected in the unit's cost means the M5 ht should also cost 270mp 15ful instead of 30fu, but I don't think that is right.
If you think the 221 is fine now, it's cost should be more consistent with it's ability. Right now that unit is a threat to M3, M5, and can be to t70. Plus it's a threat to most infantry units except guards. That is too good for what it costs.
2 Apr 2014, 06:01 AM
#37
Posts: 308
I hate to say this, but I actually agree that the scout car is fine. The reason why they're such a pain to kill is due to AT nades range was nerfed to a useless state so you have to rely on AT-Gun (then you're stuck with useless cons), guards (other doctrines that have early AT) or mines (if youre lucky) to kill it until you can tech.
The reason why the soviet scout car isn't as effective is because grens can easily faust it since the faust's range wasn't nerfed. I think AT Nades need a range buff again, however, the at nade and ohhrah cant be used together to make it balanced.
Relic purposely wanted to make scout cars a common thing in the game but I just can't see it happening. The soviet scout car is the new bren carrier and the 222 is a worse version of the armored car.
The reason why the soviet scout car isn't as effective is because grens can easily faust it since the faust's range wasn't nerfed. I think AT Nades need a range buff again, however, the at nade and ohhrah cant be used together to make it balanced.
Relic purposely wanted to make scout cars a common thing in the game but I just can't see it happening. The soviet scout car is the new bren carrier and the 222 is a worse version of the armored car.
2 Apr 2014, 06:56 AM
#38
Posts: 807
I dont know if this is rng or what?
No, soviets just don't know how to shoot.
2 Apr 2014, 07:36 AM
#39
Posts: 476
I think people really underestimate the power from mines, or the bait potential of a sniper. It's so easy to kill 222s or T70s with mines, when you exactly know where they will drive first when they come out of base.
I play mostly 1v1 and my post are with 1v1 in mind.
2 Apr 2014, 07:43 AM
#40
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Yeah combat engineers are very good in combat
That was sarcasm?
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