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Permanently BannedTanks in CoH2 are just as good at squishing infantry, the problem is that both sides have for their basic infantry have AT weapons which cause engine damage, so the whole affair is pointless.
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Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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The Soviet losing the SU-85 means that he has no way to kill the PIV, Ostwind, Panther or Tiger from bleeding models and forcing retreats giving the Germans absolute map control. Without the SU-85 or Commander specific call ins, Soviets have no AT and no means of dealing with the German armour that forces them off the map and bleeds hard. The only other possible AT for Soviet is to plant lots of mines and hoping that the tank drives over the mine in front of an AT gun. Rarely does this actually work.
Looking at the German losing the PIV, Ostwind, Panther or Tiger means that the German has nothing to stop from the SU-85 shelling away at infantry missing 9 out of every 10 shots. The German is able to kill the SU-85 with a nice PGren with Shrek flank that can kill it in 3-4 volleys and if it gets caught by a faust it's easy pickings for the Shrek or Pak. Looking at the T-34's, T'34s actually have good anti infantry so can bleed and force off. However the difference is T-34's can and do drop to Shreks, Paks and Fausts. PIV's and anything above will not drop to AT nades and AT guns unless the German is bad, misplays and gets caught out of position or doesn't pay attention to his tanks.
Another thing to note is that Panzer Fausts will penetrate the frontal armour of a T-34 or SU-85 almost 100% of the time, where as the AT grenades with less range and requiring fuel to unlock have about a 66% chance to penetrate the front armour of a PIV or Ostwind, and a 50% chance to penetrate the Panther. Combining this with Blitzkrieg, Smoke, the higher health, armour and lower penetration of Soviet weaponry mean that controlling German armour is incredibly forgiving where as Soviet armour is insanely punishing and requires delicate and finesse micro.
Germans also have the option of going to PanzerWerfers to deal with Soviet infantry and AT guns after getting the Panther to deny the armour. So even if there are SU-85's on the field that killed a Panther the German can just ignore them by going for a heavy PGren with Shrek play or straight for Panzer Werfers. Katyushas are only on Tier4, so if the Soviet is stuck on tier 3 than Katyushas aren't an option. And it's so rare to see Katyushas anyway because Soviets need to spend all of their fuel on AT, where as Germans can spend Manpower(Paks) and Munitions(Shreks) to deal with AT keeping their fuel for other luxuries such as Panzerwerfers, Ostwinds or Brumbars for example.
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Fanboys vs fanboys here. Why dont you just game it out - switch factions and play. Ill watch it if you stream.
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T34/76 is NOT a joke on my hands; Maybe on your hands you make it suck shit? but on me, No. I can kill a stug with a little micro, go toe to toe with a Panzer 4. Is it a joke? LOL T34/85 is apparently a very good tank. But no one says it "one hit wipe" or elefant penetration; up to a point i think this little medium tank just have too much health and too much firepower with that fuel cost.
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Why bang your head against a brick wall? What is it that keeps people trying out new strats, posting these threads etc... There isnt a big reward waiting around the corner. Just switch faction.
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At the end of the day, all players should agree (hopefully) that gren>cons every time. Now, things like veterancy and cover are variables that determine the squads damage output and damage received and I believe relic should settle once and for all on that. No more tweaking.
I think the real issue here, and one that Ciez or OMGPOP brought up in an interview was the LMG damage output. Fix that.
But Note so much so that you ruin the characteristics of each army. There are some things which shouldn't be compromised. So if a guy comes on here complaining why his 5 unvetted conscript blob got torn apart by 3 vetted gren squads with LMG's..well tell him to get good.
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Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Panzerwerfers are not a good option ever. If you are in t4 build some #$&#& tanks. Sorry just had to get that out. Too many mates are building those when su 85s and t34s and even is2s are out on the field, then they complain they have no fuel for armor.
Panzerwerfers are not a good fit for t4.
If you wanna arty spam choose doc with arty. Rant complete
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Anyone who says axis are not op this patch should be in jail.
That's all.
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While LMG42 and G43 are a little bit overperforming and PPSHs a little bit underperforming, the more I play, the more I think germans are not zomgwtfbbqOP, like everyone says.
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http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198090176100/stats/COH2?tab=stats&subtab=multiplayer
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While LMG42 and G43 are a little bit overperforming and PPSHs a little bit underperforming, the more I play, the more I think germans are not zomgwtfbbqOP, like everyone says.
This is similar to what I feel and actually because of that now I like to play with soviets too, but shhh... be quiet or you will burn on a stake!
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