THE PROBLEM WITH THE COVER SYSTEM
27 Mar 2014, 10:52 AM
#1
Posts: 230
in plain and simple pig English for all you relic sympathizers, and naziboo fanboys
GAME = NEW PATCH = COVER ORIENTATED
CONSCRIPTS = 6 MAN
GRENS = 4 MAN
LARGE SQUAD TAKING COVER = HARD TIME
SMALLER SQUAD TAKING COVER = EASY TIME
CONSCRIPTS = LARGE SQUAD
GRENS = SMALLER SQUAD
CONSCRIPTS = 6 MAN SQUAD
CONSCRIPTS = RARE 100% MODELS IN COVER
CONSCRIPTS = MORE LIKE 25% = 45% MODELS IN COVER
CONSCRIPTS = MOST OF SQUAD IN THE OPEN = GRENS SHOOT = GET DEADED
GRENS = 4 MAN SQUAD
GRENS = VERY EASY SUPER FUN HAPPY 100% MODEL COVER TIME.
GRENS = 99% ALL GRENS = COVER.
GRENS = IN COVER - SHOOT AT BAD COVER CONSCRIPTS
GRENS = WIN
27 Mar 2014, 11:01 AM
#2
Posts: 807
in plain and simple pig English for all you relic sympathizers, and naziboo fanboys
GAME = NEW PATCH = COVER ORIENTATED
CONSCRIPTS = 6 MAN
GRENS = 4 MAN
LARGE SQUAD TAKING COVER = HARD TIME
SMALLER SQUAD TAKING COVER = EASY TIME
CONSCRIPTS = LARGE SQUAD
GRENS = SMALLER SQUAD
CONSCRIPTS = 6 MAN SQUAD
CONSCRIPTS = RARE 100% MODELS IN COVER
CONSCRIPTS = MORE LIKE 25% = 45% MODELS IN COVER
CONSCRIPTS = MOST OF SQUAD IN THE OPEN = GRENS SHOOT = GET DEADED
GRENS = 4 MAN SQUAD
GRENS = VERY EASY SUPER FUN HAPPY 100% MODEL COVER TIME.
GRENS = 99% ALL GRENS = COVER.
GRENS = IN COVER - SHOOT AT BAD COVER CONSCRIPTS
GRENS = WIN
Great, let's make the con squad counting 4 men!
27 Mar 2014, 11:04 AM
#3
Posts: 107
GAME = DEADED!!
DEADED I SAY!
DEADED!
DEADED I SAY!
DEADED!
27 Mar 2014, 11:07 AM
#4
Posts: 471
in plain and simple pig English for all you relic sympathizers, and naziboo fanboys
GAME = NEW PATCH = COVER ORIENTATED
CONSCRIPTS = 6 MAN
GRENS = 4 MAN
LARGE SQUAD TAKING COVER = HARD TIME
SMALLER SQUAD TAKING COVER = EASY TIME
CONSCRIPTS = LARGE SQUAD
GRENS = SMALLER SQUAD
CONSCRIPTS = 6 MAN SQUAD
CONSCRIPTS = RARE 100% MODELS IN COVER
CONSCRIPTS = MORE LIKE 25% = 45% MODELS IN COVER
CONSCRIPTS = MOST OF SQUAD IN THE OPEN = GRENS SHOOT = GET DEADED
GRENS = 4 MAN SQUAD
GRENS = VERY EASY SUPER FUN HAPPY 100% MODEL COVER TIME.
GRENS = 99% ALL GRENS = COVER.
GRENS = IN COVER - SHOOT AT BAD COVER CONSCRIPTS
GRENS = WIN
Absolutely.
27 Mar 2014, 11:48 AM
#5
Posts: 1701
okay, so as said before, make conscripts 4 men, it will be..*more fun* XD
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27 Mar 2014, 11:50 AM
#6
Posts: 18
Interesting equations.. not
27 Mar 2014, 11:54 AM
#7
Posts: 230
Interesting equations.. not
sick fucking burn
i'll just direct myself to a burn clinic, holy shit it's like third fucking degree holy shit
27 Mar 2014, 11:54 AM
#8
Posts: 1439
Fixed it for you:
SOVIETS BEFORE PATCH:
MAKE MANY OF THEM + EQUIP THEM WITH PPSH + WALK THEM ALL TO THE ENEMY = WIN EVERY TIME
SOVIETS AFTER PATCH:
MAKE MANY OF THEM + EQUIP THEM WITH PPSH + WALK THEM ALL TO THE ENEMY = WTF JUST HAPPENED?
also:
SOVIETS BEFORE PATCH:
MAKE SNIPERS + MAKE MORE SNIPERS + PUT THEM INTO SCOUT CAR = TROLOLOLO HAPPY TIMES
SOVIETS AFTER PATCH:
MAKE SNIPERS + MAKE MORE SNIPERS + PUT THEM INTO SCOUT CAR = WTF IT DOES NOT WORK ANY MORE?
SOVIETS BEFORE PATCH:
MAKE MANY OF THEM + EQUIP THEM WITH PPSH + WALK THEM ALL TO THE ENEMY = WIN EVERY TIME
SOVIETS AFTER PATCH:
MAKE MANY OF THEM + EQUIP THEM WITH PPSH + WALK THEM ALL TO THE ENEMY = WTF JUST HAPPENED?
also:
SOVIETS BEFORE PATCH:
MAKE SNIPERS + MAKE MORE SNIPERS + PUT THEM INTO SCOUT CAR = TROLOLOLO HAPPY TIMES
SOVIETS AFTER PATCH:
MAKE SNIPERS + MAKE MORE SNIPERS + PUT THEM INTO SCOUT CAR = WTF IT DOES NOT WORK ANY MORE?
27 Mar 2014, 12:00 PM
#9
Posts: 577
You can get 99% to 100% of 4 Grens in cover, that would be 3,96 to 4 entities. For Cons you can only get 25% to 45% of 6, so 1.5 to 2.7 entities.
I assumed you should at least be able to get 4 Cons into cover if you can get 4 Grens into cover. I assume that disparity arises from the fact that Soviets carry so many Molotov and vodka bottles with them, they need more space.
I assumed you should at least be able to get 4 Cons into cover if you can get 4 Grens into cover. I assume that disparity arises from the fact that Soviets carry so many Molotov and vodka bottles with them, they need more space.
27 Mar 2014, 12:32 PM
#10
Posts: 165
Speaking of putting things in cars. I'd like to see all cars/half tracks that do not have a mounted gun be stationary for troops in the vehicle to fire. Schrecks firing on the move from a half track ... that is a bit much.
I haven't tried to put a sniper in a car yet since the patch ... can he go in it and just not fire but is still allowed to be transported or just not able to go in the vehicle. If the later ... that's just wrong.
I haven't tried to put a sniper in a car yet since the patch ... can he go in it and just not fire but is still allowed to be transported or just not able to go in the vehicle. If the later ... that's just wrong.
27 Mar 2014, 12:33 PM
#11
Posts: 2693 | Subs: 1
On a more serious note, the OP is correct.
Every type of green cover that is not a long piece of wall is usually only able to provide cover for 3-4 men. Haystacks, wells, tank carcasses, farming equipment, tombstones, sandbags (the ones already on the map) all provide better cover for the German 4-man squads compared to the Soviet 6-men squads.
The same goes for many types of yellow cover as well. Small bushes, craters, carts, dead horses, fallen tree branches etc etc.
And of course, houses with less then then 6 windows facing in any direction.
Every type of green cover that is not a long piece of wall is usually only able to provide cover for 3-4 men. Haystacks, wells, tank carcasses, farming equipment, tombstones, sandbags (the ones already on the map) all provide better cover for the German 4-man squads compared to the Soviet 6-men squads.
The same goes for many types of yellow cover as well. Small bushes, craters, carts, dead horses, fallen tree branches etc etc.
And of course, houses with less then then 6 windows facing in any direction.
27 Mar 2014, 12:40 PM
#12
2 Posts: 1108
The problem is...there is no problem. problem solved
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27 Mar 2014, 12:43 PM
#13
Posts: 2693 | Subs: 1
The problem is...there is no problem. problem solved
Not for your people.
27 Mar 2014, 12:47 PM
#14
Posts: 8154 | Subs: 2
And you just discover this now?
The price SU pays for not getting wiped out from explosions.
The price SU pays for not getting wiped out from explosions.
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
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And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
27 Mar 2014, 13:18 PM
#15
Posts: 1164
Fixed it for you:
SOVIETS BEFORE PATCH:
MAKE MANY OF THEM + EQUIP THEM WITH PPSH + WALK THEM ALL TO THE ENEMY = WIN EVERY TIME
SOVIETS AFTER PATCH:
MAKE MANY OF THEM + EQUIP THEM WITH PPSH + WALK THEM ALL TO THE ENEMY = WTF JUST HAPPENED?
also:
SOVIETS BEFORE PATCH:
MAKE SNIPERS + MAKE MORE SNIPERS + PUT THEM INTO SCOUT CAR = TROLOLOLO HAPPY TIMES
SOVIETS AFTER PATCH:
MAKE SNIPERS + MAKE MORE SNIPERS + PUT THEM INTO SCOUT CAR = WTF IT DOES NOT WORK ANY MORE?
QFT:
this thread just got DEADED
27 Mar 2014, 13:54 PM
#16
Posts: 230
why does no one ever agree with my opinions. i seriously should just stop suggesting stuff.... sigh....
27 Mar 2014, 13:57 PM
#17
Posts: 1679 | Subs: 5
Squad sizes in CoH2 are the same as in vCoH, and the cover system in vCoH was perfectly fine. Bad argument.
Also, all caps makes you sound like a moron.
Also, all caps makes you sound like a moron.
27 Mar 2014, 14:04 PM
#18
Posts: 230
Squad sizes in CoH2 are the same as in vCoH, and the cover system in vCoH was perfectly fine. Bad argument.
this has nothing to do with the cover system in vcoh
the fact of the matter is sometimes they just don't take cover, or they run out in the open sometimes randomly. or they get stuck along the way on light cover when you put them in nearby heavy cover.
it's less of a problem on grens because their smaller squadsize leaves less room for error.
it's only a problem now because cover actually means something
that's all i was getting at, sorry if i didn't get my point across the in the OP
27 Mar 2014, 14:20 PM
#19
Posts: 1003
in plain and simple pig English for all you relic sympathizers, and naziboo fanboys
GAME = NEW PATCH = COVER ORIENTATED
CONSCRIPTS = 6 MAN
GRENS = 4 MAN
LARGE SQUAD TAKING COVER = HARD TIME
SMALLER SQUAD TAKING COVER = EASY TIME
CONSCRIPTS = LARGE SQUAD
GRENS = SMALLER SQUAD
CONSCRIPTS = 6 MAN SQUAD
CONSCRIPTS = RARE 100% MODELS IN COVER
CONSCRIPTS = MORE LIKE 25% = 45% MODELS IN COVER
CONSCRIPTS = MOST OF SQUAD IN THE OPEN = GRENS SHOOT = GET DEADED
GRENS = 4 MAN SQUAD
GRENS = VERY EASY SUPER FUN HAPPY 100% MODEL COVER TIME.
GRENS = 99% ALL GRENS = COVER.
GRENS = IN COVER - SHOOT AT BAD COVER CONSCRIPTS
GRENS = WIN
Cons can build green cover. You need start use it.
I want to have the same chance, to win for each side.
27 Mar 2014, 14:47 PM
#20
Posts: 622 | Subs: 1
Squad sizes in CoH2 are the same as in vCoH, and the cover system in vCoH was perfectly fine. Bad argument.
Cover system in vcoh was top but cover interaction could have been 100% better, that's what they enhance with the elit mod.
I mean, if coh2's units jump around and are movements animation/unit block related, I can understand the OPpost.
It has always been raging to have rifles and volks being late on the move or behind an hedgerow, while the rest of the squad is fighting because there is too many models shocking each others in the squad...
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