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THE PROBLEM WITH THE COVER SYSTEM

27 Mar 2014, 10:52 AM
#1
avatar of buckers

Posts: 230


in plain and simple pig English for all you relic sympathizers, and naziboo fanboys

GAME = NEW PATCH = COVER ORIENTATED

CONSCRIPTS = 6 MAN

GRENS = 4 MAN

LARGE SQUAD TAKING COVER = HARD TIME

SMALLER SQUAD TAKING COVER = EASY TIME

CONSCRIPTS = LARGE SQUAD

GRENS = SMALLER SQUAD

CONSCRIPTS = 6 MAN SQUAD
CONSCRIPTS = RARE 100% MODELS IN COVER
CONSCRIPTS = MORE LIKE 25% = 45% MODELS IN COVER
CONSCRIPTS = MOST OF SQUAD IN THE OPEN = GRENS SHOOT = GET DEADED

GRENS = 4 MAN SQUAD
GRENS = VERY EASY SUPER FUN HAPPY 100% MODEL COVER TIME.
GRENS = 99% ALL GRENS = COVER.
GRENS = IN COVER - SHOOT AT BAD COVER CONSCRIPTS
GRENS = WIN
27 Mar 2014, 11:01 AM
#2
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Posts: 807

jump backJump back to quoted post27 Mar 2014, 10:52 AMbuckers

in plain and simple pig English for all you relic sympathizers, and naziboo fanboys

GAME = NEW PATCH = COVER ORIENTATED

CONSCRIPTS = 6 MAN

GRENS = 4 MAN

LARGE SQUAD TAKING COVER = HARD TIME

SMALLER SQUAD TAKING COVER = EASY TIME

CONSCRIPTS = LARGE SQUAD

GRENS = SMALLER SQUAD

CONSCRIPTS = 6 MAN SQUAD
CONSCRIPTS = RARE 100% MODELS IN COVER
CONSCRIPTS = MORE LIKE 25% = 45% MODELS IN COVER
CONSCRIPTS = MOST OF SQUAD IN THE OPEN = GRENS SHOOT = GET DEADED

GRENS = 4 MAN SQUAD
GRENS = VERY EASY SUPER FUN HAPPY 100% MODEL COVER TIME.
GRENS = 99% ALL GRENS = COVER.
GRENS = IN COVER - SHOOT AT BAD COVER CONSCRIPTS
GRENS = WIN


Great, let's make the con squad counting 4 men! :clap:
27 Mar 2014, 11:04 AM
#3
avatar of MVwhine

Posts: 107

GAME = DEADED!!
DEADED I SAY!
DEADED!
Neo
27 Mar 2014, 11:07 AM
#4
avatar of Neo

Posts: 471

jump backJump back to quoted post27 Mar 2014, 10:52 AMbuckers

in plain and simple pig English for all you relic sympathizers, and naziboo fanboys

GAME = NEW PATCH = COVER ORIENTATED

CONSCRIPTS = 6 MAN

GRENS = 4 MAN

LARGE SQUAD TAKING COVER = HARD TIME

SMALLER SQUAD TAKING COVER = EASY TIME

CONSCRIPTS = LARGE SQUAD

GRENS = SMALLER SQUAD

CONSCRIPTS = 6 MAN SQUAD
CONSCRIPTS = RARE 100% MODELS IN COVER
CONSCRIPTS = MORE LIKE 25% = 45% MODELS IN COVER
CONSCRIPTS = MOST OF SQUAD IN THE OPEN = GRENS SHOOT = GET DEADED

GRENS = 4 MAN SQUAD
GRENS = VERY EASY SUPER FUN HAPPY 100% MODEL COVER TIME.
GRENS = 99% ALL GRENS = COVER.
GRENS = IN COVER - SHOOT AT BAD COVER CONSCRIPTS
GRENS = WIN


Absolutely.
27 Mar 2014, 11:48 AM
#5
avatar of Kronosaur0s

Posts: 1701

okay, so as said before, make conscripts 4 men, it will be..*more fun* XD
27 Mar 2014, 11:50 AM
#6
avatar of WetBread

Posts: 18

Interesting equations.. not
27 Mar 2014, 11:54 AM
#7
avatar of buckers

Posts: 230

Interesting equations.. not


sick fucking burn

i'll just direct myself to a burn clinic, holy shit it's like third fucking degree holy shit
27 Mar 2014, 11:54 AM
#8
avatar of OZtheWiZARD

Posts: 1439

Fixed it for you:


SOVIETS BEFORE PATCH:

MAKE MANY OF THEM + EQUIP THEM WITH PPSH + WALK THEM ALL TO THE ENEMY = WIN EVERY TIME


SOVIETS AFTER PATCH:

MAKE MANY OF THEM + EQUIP THEM WITH PPSH + WALK THEM ALL TO THE ENEMY = WTF JUST HAPPENED?


also:

SOVIETS BEFORE PATCH:

MAKE SNIPERS + MAKE MORE SNIPERS + PUT THEM INTO SCOUT CAR = TROLOLOLO HAPPY TIMES


SOVIETS AFTER PATCH:

MAKE SNIPERS + MAKE MORE SNIPERS + PUT THEM INTO SCOUT CAR = WTF IT DOES NOT WORK ANY MORE?
27 Mar 2014, 12:00 PM
#9
avatar of MilkaCow

Posts: 577

You can get 99% to 100% of 4 Grens in cover, that would be 3,96 to 4 entities. For Cons you can only get 25% to 45% of 6, so 1.5 to 2.7 entities.

I assumed you should at least be able to get 4 Cons into cover if you can get 4 Grens into cover. I assume that disparity arises from the fact that Soviets carry so many Molotov and vodka bottles with them, they need more space.
27 Mar 2014, 12:32 PM
#10
avatar of gary.giles71

Posts: 165

Speaking of putting things in cars. I'd like to see all cars/half tracks that do not have a mounted gun be stationary for troops in the vehicle to fire. Schrecks firing on the move from a half track ... that is a bit much.
I haven't tried to put a sniper in a car yet since the patch ... can he go in it and just not fire but is still allowed to be transported or just not able to go in the vehicle. If the later ... that's just wrong.
27 Mar 2014, 12:33 PM
#11
avatar of Aerohank

Posts: 2693 | Subs: 1

On a more serious note, the OP is correct.

Every type of green cover that is not a long piece of wall is usually only able to provide cover for 3-4 men. Haystacks, wells, tank carcasses, farming equipment, tombstones, sandbags (the ones already on the map) all provide better cover for the German 4-man squads compared to the Soviet 6-men squads.

The same goes for many types of yellow cover as well. Small bushes, craters, carts, dead horses, fallen tree branches etc etc.

And of course, houses with less then then 6 windows facing in any direction.
27 Mar 2014, 12:40 PM
#12
avatar of MoerserKarL
Donator 22

Posts: 1108

The problem is...there is no problem. problem solved
27 Mar 2014, 12:43 PM
#13
avatar of Aerohank

Posts: 2693 | Subs: 1

The problem is...there is no problem. problem solved


Not for your people.
27 Mar 2014, 12:47 PM
#14
avatar of elchino7
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Posts: 8154 | Subs: 2

And you just discover this now?

The price SU pays for not getting wiped out from explosions.
27 Mar 2014, 13:18 PM
#15
avatar of cr4wler

Posts: 1164

Fixed it for you:


SOVIETS BEFORE PATCH:

MAKE MANY OF THEM + EQUIP THEM WITH PPSH + WALK THEM ALL TO THE ENEMY = WIN EVERY TIME


SOVIETS AFTER PATCH:

MAKE MANY OF THEM + EQUIP THEM WITH PPSH + WALK THEM ALL TO THE ENEMY = WTF JUST HAPPENED?


also:

SOVIETS BEFORE PATCH:

MAKE SNIPERS + MAKE MORE SNIPERS + PUT THEM INTO SCOUT CAR = TROLOLOLO HAPPY TIMES


SOVIETS AFTER PATCH:

MAKE SNIPERS + MAKE MORE SNIPERS + PUT THEM INTO SCOUT CAR = WTF IT DOES NOT WORK ANY MORE?


QFT:
this thread just got DEADED
27 Mar 2014, 13:54 PM
#16
avatar of buckers

Posts: 230

:( why does no one ever agree with my opinions. i seriously should just stop suggesting stuff.... sigh....
27 Mar 2014, 13:57 PM
#17
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Posts: 1679 | Subs: 5

Squad sizes in CoH2 are the same as in vCoH, and the cover system in vCoH was perfectly fine. Bad argument.

Also, all caps makes you sound like a moron.
27 Mar 2014, 14:04 PM
#18
avatar of buckers

Posts: 230

jump backJump back to quoted post27 Mar 2014, 13:57 PMInverse
Squad sizes in CoH2 are the same as in vCoH, and the cover system in vCoH was perfectly fine. Bad argument.


this has nothing to do with the cover system in vcoh

the fact of the matter is sometimes they just don't take cover, or they run out in the open sometimes randomly. or they get stuck along the way on light cover when you put them in nearby heavy cover.

it's less of a problem on grens because their smaller squadsize leaves less room for error.

it's only a problem now because cover actually means something

that's all i was getting at, sorry if i didn't get my point across the in the OP
27 Mar 2014, 14:20 PM
#19
avatar of Aradan

Posts: 1003

jump backJump back to quoted post27 Mar 2014, 10:52 AMbuckers

in plain and simple pig English for all you relic sympathizers, and naziboo fanboys

GAME = NEW PATCH = COVER ORIENTATED

CONSCRIPTS = 6 MAN

GRENS = 4 MAN

LARGE SQUAD TAKING COVER = HARD TIME

SMALLER SQUAD TAKING COVER = EASY TIME

CONSCRIPTS = LARGE SQUAD

GRENS = SMALLER SQUAD

CONSCRIPTS = 6 MAN SQUAD
CONSCRIPTS = RARE 100% MODELS IN COVER
CONSCRIPTS = MORE LIKE 25% = 45% MODELS IN COVER
CONSCRIPTS = MOST OF SQUAD IN THE OPEN = GRENS SHOOT = GET DEADED

GRENS = 4 MAN SQUAD
GRENS = VERY EASY SUPER FUN HAPPY 100% MODEL COVER TIME.
GRENS = 99% ALL GRENS = COVER.
GRENS = IN COVER - SHOOT AT BAD COVER CONSCRIPTS
GRENS = WIN


Cons can build green cover. You need start use it.
27 Mar 2014, 14:47 PM
#20
avatar of Pepsi

Posts: 622 | Subs: 1

jump backJump back to quoted post27 Mar 2014, 13:57 PMInverse
Squad sizes in CoH2 are the same as in vCoH, and the cover system in vCoH was perfectly fine. Bad argument.


Cover system in vcoh was top but cover interaction could have been 100% better, that's what they enhance with the elit mod.


I mean, if coh2's units jump around and are movements animation/unit block related, I can understand the OPpost.

It has always been raging to have rifles and volks being late on the move or behind an hedgerow, while the rest of the squad is fighting because there is too many models shocking each others in the squad...
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