L2P thread of post-patched Soviet

Jump back to quoted post27 Mar 2014, 10:24 AMRommel

Yes, but you don't think that you can be beat fastly if you rush and don't use efficiently your unit, you cant be beat at t2 in 1v1 right ?

Jump back to quoted post27 Mar 2014, 10:11 AMAlbus

Shit. I was the one getting buttraped in that Image .

Jump back to quoted post27 Mar 2014, 10:28 AMturbosqel

Rommel stop playing with AI

Jump back to quoted post27 Mar 2014, 10:24 AMRommel

Yes, but you don't think that you can be beat fastly if you rush and don't use efficiently your unit, you cant be beat at t2 in 1v1 right ?

Jump back to quoted post27 Mar 2014, 11:44 AMFlamee

I was planning to come here and write what FULL MADNESS was OPs soviet game. Gave up like after 10mins with literally 0 map control and went back playing Ostheer.

BTW, nice tactics there with Pios and PGrens and of course elite doctrine.

Jump back to quoted post27 Mar 2014, 12:29 PMPorygon

I love playing trolling strat

Jump back to quoted post27 Mar 2014, 12:31 PMFlamee

You also love giving good tips, worked well atleast for you.

Jump back to quoted post27 Mar 2014, 04:04 AMPorygon

If someone still claiming


Advices

Jump back to quoted post27 Mar 2014, 12:45 PMPorygon

I never played like this, just tried one game and fail, so?

Jump back to quoted post27 Mar 2014, 13:07 PMBeWee

Finally Company of Heroes 2 is more like CoH1 in the first stage of the battle. You just can't charge German troops if they are in cover with rioting conscript blobs, forcing the Germans to retreat. You can't crawl up with shocks troops and throw a grenade on the shooting MG, now you really have to use your brain and some tactics, really flank and use cover to win as the Soviets. Split your troops and spread them out against charging close combat units, if they charge one squad, back that one up and let the others shoot.
Use more maxims and mortar, get an early AT gun, plant mines instead of throwing 20 molotovs.

I know many new players just blobbed their way to victory with the Russians before the patch, and they will have a hard time adapting to this new system. Especially if they only played the Soviet side, and I think even harder if they never played Americans in vCoH.

I think its sad that the Russians just give up when their riot blob tactic dont do it now, even if they still hold half the map into mid game.

Jump back to quoted post27 Mar 2014, 09:53 AMNeo

Here's a translation of the OP:



Stay in green cover (if it's available) to avoid your combat units getting raped by German basic builder unit. Incidentally, if you had actually tried it you'd find out very quickly that it doesn't work: keeping a combat engineer in green cover vs. onrushing pioneer squad results in win for pio most of the time. So better advice is "when you see pioneers, RETREAT". This will be a recurring topic throughout this discussion.



Use 2 units for every 1 German unit. I am not a great strategist but is it possible this might result in loss of map control? Also, if you always needed 2 cons to fight 1 Gren, how was pre-patch game "Soviet easy mode"?



Use 2 units for every 1 German unit. Stay in cover and far away from a unit that has sprint. How did "stay in cover and stay away" work for Germans before patch against PPSh cons by the way?

If you see 1 Gren vs. your 1 Con, the best strategy is... RETREAT!



PGs had their armor reduced. All Soviet units had their armour buffed to help you defeat PGs... err, wait? Also, focus fire... unless you are talking about a special new "focus fire" ability, you probably mean having to "use 2 units for every 1 German unit"... or RETREAT!



Your first job as the Soviet player who is losing map control due to the superiority of German infantry is to sneak your combat engineers behind the rapidly advancing German front line and plant mines to help you deal with the scout cars.

Second job is "stay in cover" because a conscript squad in cover will win a shootout with an armored car.

Third job is blob and hope the German player takes pity on you and doesn't support his car(s) with infantry.

or, you guessed it, RETREAT!



The flamer is dead! Long live the MG halftrack with no real counters (previous counter was T70 which now costs 195 fuel to build). Just bring up your howitzer-range scout car and MG HT to just behind your front line and reinforce your god-like infantry while Soviet player cries himself to sleep.

Summary of advice for Soviet player:

Use 2 units for every 1 German unit

AND/OR

RETREAT FOR MOTHER RUSSIA!

Jump back to quoted post27 Mar 2014, 10:11 AMAlbus

Shit. I was the one getting buttraped in that Image Was not nice.

The question isn't "Is the game balanced?" anymore. The question is "What purity of Crystal Meth were Relic and the Balance team smoking when they approved this patch?".

Jump back to quoted post27 Mar 2014, 15:14 PMVonIvan

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