HOLY POTATOES !!! patch 3/25

Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2014, 20:40 PMpqumsieh

The Soviet's are designed to lack flexibility relative to the Germans. You aren't meant to get more than 1 late tier building.

Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2014, 21:04 PMJHeartless

Capacity_Gear. Railway Artillery Spam...FTW.....

Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2014, 20:45 PMCapacity_gear

I do have a concern about the fuel cost of t-3/ t-4 for soviets, 140fu for each, however its nothing to do with its comparison to the german tech.

My worry is this:

Guys builds tiger, rushes base. Now as it stands this is usually a waste, may get a squad or 2 before dieing and maybe a building at a little inconvenience, but over all its cost incurred to its damage done is a bad decision.

Now a tiger rushes base,. kills a t-3/t-4 building, bam! 140fuel damage done + the mp,. if it kills 2 of them bam! 280 fuel + mp damage done to a target that cannot move or fight.

Now that isn't such a bad return, add in a lucky squad wipe and your evens with cost, add to that to the fact it will cause you enemy micro and time to deal with it why wouldn't you do it?
Its a cost effective suicide that has a very very good chance of paying off. Loosing the mp and fuel cost of a tiger compared to the fuel cost of t3-t4 plus the engi's and time to build seem like a good trade to me.

Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2014, 20:50 PMAerohank

Why not? It's a terrible design. Once the german builds up counters to the soviets tech, the soviets are fucked.

I understand you are a developer, is this correct?

Can you explain to me how this:

'Player 1 chooses unit X -> Player 2 chooses the counter to unit X -> Player 1 can't tech switch to counter Player 2's unit and is now fucked'

Is preferable to this:

'Player 1 chooses unit X -> Player 2 chooses the counter to unit X -> Player 1 tech switches to unit Y to counter player 2's unit -> Player 2 responds in kind -> etc.'


Do you really think it's more interesting to see a T3 soviet player spam moreT34/76s for rams against a german player who responds to his tier choice with a tiger? Do you really think that this is better then letting the soviet have the option to go for T4, and watching the german then tech switch to deal with this new situation?

Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2014, 21:17 PMThebazookajoe

Also, capacity gear is not negative all the time. This really is a miracle patch

Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2014, 20:45 PMCapacity_gear

Now a tiger rushes base,. kills a t-3/t-4 building, bam! 140fuel damage done + the mp,. if it kills 2 of them bam! 280 fuel + mp damage done to a target that cannot move or fight.

Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2014, 21:26 PMSenseo1990

I agree.

I already had an issue with that with the current prices. German tier upgrades are part of the price but have the major advantage that they cannot be destroyed. An unnecessary disadvantage for the soviets, which is why I reduced the soviet building prices by 50% if that building was already build once in my small gameplay-test mod a few months ago

Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2014, 22:07 PMmas1er

140 fuel means we will not have t3 and t4 together in one game. If it is designed and intended by devs that we can't have both, then ok. But still I don't know why.

Solution to this issue might be if we build t3, then t4 will cost only half fuel or only 50 fuel. And vice versa, if we build t4 then cost of t3 will be smaller.

Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2014, 22:07 PMmas1er

140 fuel means we will not have t3 and t4 together in one game. If it is designed and intended by devs that we can't have both, then ok. But still I don't know why.

Solution to this issue might be if we build t3, then t4 will cost only half fuel or only 50 fuel. And vice versa, if we build t4 then cost of t3 will be smaller.

Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2014, 21:17 PMThebazookajoe

Well, the beauty of coh is that you don't always need hard counters

If you have T2, a couple of ZIS guns work just as well, especially now that (p)grens can't just walk in and kill them unpunished. You just need a different way of playing.

If you gamble for really heavy AI to push your opponent off the map early and go for T1-T3, that's a tradeoff and a gamble you make. Strong in the early game, but weak to a comeback with heavy german armor.

Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2014, 22:18 PMAerohank

This would be fine if both factions were designed this way. But they are not. You don't always need hard counters, but when the german player gets hard counters, the soviet player can't return the favor. Having a late game that clearly favors one side does not make for good gameplay.

Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2014, 22:18 PMAerohank

This would be fine if both factions were designed this way. But they are not. You don't always need hard counters, but when the german player gets hard counters, the soviet player can't return the favor. Having a late game that clearly favors one side does not make for good gameplay.

Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2014, 20:40 PMpqumsieh

The Soviet's are designed to lack flexibility relative to the Germans. You aren't meant to get more than 1 late tier building.